1010 TrackLoader questions

[souliog]

I am thinking about buying a JD1010 Track Loader for clearing up to 5 acres of land. After that I want to keep it as a toy for clearing our northern Michigan cabin driveway, farming and land management.

1. Is it too small for a few trees 8-10" in diameter? Most of the trees are 3-4" and I know they won't be an issue. The trees are in black soil with clay 1-2 below grade. They are mostly Poplar trees and a few red oaks about 20' tall. It does have a large winch I can use as well.

2. Can I convert to a 3pt setup in the future?

Thanks in advance f

[Tigerhaze]

Hi there and welcome to the board-

I don't own a 1010, so someone like WWatson is probably better for answering your questions about the 3 point setup and give you a better answer about tree removal with a 1010.

However I own its slightly larger cousin, a 2010 crawler loader and I have put down approx 40' red oaks (12" dia) without too much hassle. I did have to dig around the roots some before I could topple them, but it didn't take too long.

[souliog]

40' oaks, I guess i'll have little issues with a 1010 then.

There is one 16" Red Pine that I want to take out too. That one will need alot of digging and then i'll push up a 10 foot ramp to get more leverage. I think it could work???

[Tigerhaze]

Having leverage further up the tree is usually better as long as you can do it safely- usually pines have shallower root systems so maybe you'll be lucky on that.

I can't remember if I posted my tree removal pics (you could search the show and tell forum with my username)- if not I may be able to post them up.

**EDIT** While this isn't the tree I was talking about, it gives you an idea of what I can take down easily with the 2010:

http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... highlight=

[jdemaris]

1. Is it too small for a few trees 8-10" in diameter? Most of the trees are 3-4" and I know they won't be an issue. The trees are in black soil with clay 1-2 below grade. They are mostly Poplar trees and a few red oaks about 20' tall. It does have a large winch I can use as well.

Before I sound like I'm picking on 1010 crawlers - the crawler-loader is a very rugged and well built machine.

1010 gas-engine track loader wouldn't budge a 10" hardwood tree where I live in New York, but our soil is full of hard pan. Poplar, yes. I've got properties in northern Michigan (Presque Isle Co.), and all the soil there is sand. Twice as easy to pull trees.

1010 loader has almost the same breakout force of a 350 if you're pulling with the loader bucket. Has 8500 lbs. force (same as a older 430), whereas a 350 loader has just a hair more at 9000 lbs.

You say you've got black-dirt?? I didn't even know there was any black-dirt in norhtern Michgan and now I'm envious. What county? Makes great ground for vegetables. I used to live in an all black-dirt farming area in Orange County, New York. Mostly all lettuce and onion farms and the most common tractor was a wide-track Cletrac HG, or Deere 350 with a three-point hitch.

Generally speaking, a 1010 gas-engine crawler loader for pulling horizontally (ground travel, not bucket pull) is limited by power and traction if it has the standard flat street pads. If you add more agressive grouser bars for better traction, it then lacks engine torque for hard pulls. Diesel version, although rated at similar horsepower has more and flatter torque.
One goof that Deere made, in my opinion, is that the gas loader should of been available with a lower 1st gear or a bigger engine. It's the same cubic inch size as a 420, but weighs more. Where I live in New York, with all steep hills, a 10,000 -11,000 lb. 1010 gas loader can barely climb a steep hill in 1st gear when not pulling anything but its own weight. 1st gear is .87 MPH at 1500 RPM, same ratio as used in the former and lighter 420s, and also in the later 350s with more horsepower and torque.

1010 crawler loader has a drawbar pull of 6500 - 7000 lbs.

Obviously, I don't know your specific situation, since I've never even seen black dirt in your area. With soft soil and mostly flat land, chances are the 1010 will be much more useful there then here. Also, Poplars are known for being shallow rooted. I've pulled many poplar trees in nothern Michigan with my 420 crawler-loader (with the bucket).

[souliog]

Tigerhaze - The pictures are perfect. Exact size trees I need to up root.

jdemaris- The property is Montmorency County. It is just south of Presque Isle.

The area of land I am clearing use to be farmland 20+ years ago. That's why the soil is rich. I'll be working in flat ground only. Hills are not an issue.

The rest of the property is Hemlock pines and Poplars. We will not be in the Oak Section of the property at all.

The loader is a gas and in good shape except for the UC. Tracks and rollers are shot. Is it even worth 2 grand?

btw-owner welded in a nice looking ROPS with overhead shielding. Big safety bonus for me.

[Tigerhaze]

I think as you'll hear from others that availability of new undercarriage components is poor to non-existent, specially with regards to sprockets and rails/pins/bushings. If you search for WWatson's latest posts I think you will see some of his discussions related to this.

However if you can get some use out of the 1010 before the undercarriage is toast, maybe it is worth it to you to get your work done as opposed to renting a machine. There will still be some residual value as a parts machine or (gasp) scrap which would offset your purchase price and give you work done cheaply. It is a big gamble, as if other components break on it prematurely you could go into the hole quickly. If you're not needing a machine after this work is done, it may be cheaper to hire a contractor to do the work or rent a machine (like from the CAT Store) and do it yourself. As others have said, there is no such thing as a cheap crawler.

[souliog]

I have a Case 350 track loader to look at too. UC is at 50% but we all no that means it is probally toast already.

I'll keep you posted...

[CELSESSER]

jdemaris,

When you go up to Presque Isle I assume you come through Sarnia and go up I-75? Sometime go across Genesee, Saginaw and into Gratiot Co. In Saginaw and Grotiot Co's you will see true Black loam fields in the 400 to 600 acre size. In clinton Co there is the black muck and they raise Mint in some of that. The black dirt of Montmorency is "dark" and not as loamy, more gravel than sand in this area. Problem is up here the season is short and we get some bad early and late frosts that make crops a bigger gamble. Plus a herd of elk will really hurt a field(unless you are planting FOR the elk !).
Soiliog,
Where you at in Montmorency? I'm just east of Gaylord on 32

Chuck

[jdemaris]

Is it even worth 2 grand?

I think that's a pretty good price considering that area. I've looked for used equipment for several years in that four-five county area and also in the U.P. Crawlers, farm tractors, and a backhoe was on my shopping list. I'm thinking of moving up there and my plan has been this. Anything I can buy up there, means one less piece of equipment I'll be trucking from New York. I've got six crawlers, four backhoes, and many farm tractors here. I suspect I'll have an auction if I ever move. If I drop dead my wife can have the auction.

My experience has been that most of the stuff Ive looked at is in bad shape and overpriced. And, unlike here in this farming area of New York the locals that I've tried to buy from seem to get insulted if I make an offer below asking price. Many times in northern Michigan, I've heard some version of "if I don't get my price it can sit here and rot." Subsequently, I've bought a few wheel tractors, reluctantly, that were priced too high and lacked the features I wanted. I bought a backhoe in the thumb of Michigan and had to pay a lot to truck it a couple of hundred miles. The only machine I found locally that was near reasonble was a Deere 420 crawler-loader with winch.for $2200. But, the seller, although living in Lachine, was an out-of-towner, not a local.

I'm being too long-winded. But, after all the $5000-$10,000 falling apart 1010s, 350s, and 450s I saw - it' makes that 1010 sound like a bargain.

[jdemaris]

jdemaris,

When you go up to Presque Isle I assume you come through Sarnia and go up I-75?

The black dirt of Montmorency is "dark" and not as loamy, more gravel than sand in this area. Problem is up here the season is short and we get some bad early

The black dirt in New York is spongy and dark black. Amazing stuff for growing.

We sometimes enter from Sarnia, and sometimes go the long way, and come in from Sault Ste Marie. We've seen huge black-dirt fields near Sarnia after coming in to Michigan where there was a lot of sugar beet harvesting going on. Saw some pretty neat machines - I guess some sort of beet harvesters.

I didn't know that Montmorency had any black dirt. I bought farm-land in Case Township and it's pretty sandy. Also got land in Hawks and it's even sandier. My wife's parents live in Alpena and it's pretty sandy there also. We sometimes drive though part of Montmorency through Atlanta and past a place that makes those Permalog concrete log cabins - in Mio, I think.

[cdndozer]

I was thinking about asking the same question about the trees and a 1010.
Most of the trees on my 1/4 section are 4-6" 15' high trees with some being in the 10" range 25' high.
I ended up paying $3500.00CDN for the deisel 1010.
Considering the junk I drove around the province to look at and although none were JDs,I felt I got a good deal.Good luck with your purchase.

[Tigerhaze]

Jdemaris-

You don't happen to have the spec brochure for the 2010 like the one you posted for the 1010, do you? I would be interested in seeing it if you do.

[Tiny Crawler]

Knocked over a bunch of trees this summer with the 1010 loader to clear a spot for a barn, Maple, Ash, and White pine, most were maple about 8"-12" diameter, The ash was about 16" quite a few more pushes from different directions but it finally succumbed to the 1010. They were in hard pan and the roots were not deep into the soil. Crawler loader did a good job. I also pulled the root balls (Multiples) with the whole tree about 400 yards away to deal with a later day. Some of the load we heavy enough the I did a forward wheelie all the way to the pile.

I have also pulled about a 24" maple with the dozer, it was on a bank, put a chain way up and pulled a couple of directions (some Jerking) and down it came, the root ball was about 8' in diameter. Keep in mind it was growing on a bank out of a ditch and one side was undermined.

Watch for Dead falls!!!!


A three point on a 1010 loader was not an option, can you put one one it? anything is possible, there is already a valve on the loader valve assembly so that part is done.
I think the early 350's loaders and dozer's had that option.

good luck, I have had fun with my 1010 dozer and loader and have done a lot of work around the house and some side jobs as well. I also like that I can trailer them myself as well, even with the backhoe on the loader.

tiny.

[jdemaris]

Jdemaris-

You don't happen to have the spec brochure for the 2010 like the one you posted for the 1010, do you? I would be interested in seeing it if you do.

I think I have every Deere industrial spec sheet made up to 1980 - except the 2010 crawler. Have all the 2010 wheel loaders, fork lifts, etc. Also the 420, 430, 440, 350, 450, 550, etc.

Here's the 50 hoe though.