2010 vs 1010 diesel engine

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:13 pm

if almost all the engine parts are exactly same on a 2010 as a 1010 diesel where does the extra power come from? Same block, crank, cam, sleave deck, etc etc. I don't see why putting a 2010 in a 1010 is going to create so much power that it would hurt my 1010 crawler.

thoughts on this would be helpful...
brian

jtrichard · Post by **jtrichard** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:48 pm

block is different sleeve is different bigger bore 145ci vs 155ci i dont think it would hurt to put the higher HP in the 1010 it has been done before you might have to watch just how hard you work her

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:07 am

I guess I got some bad info, my bad. I was told the block and sleave was eaxctly same ha thanks now I can see where little more power would be created.

I was doing some research because I need a 1010 sleave and found some posts where a guy was saying the 2010 is same and is actually cheaper to buy from john deere even thou it's the same ($900 vs $600). So you can see why I was confused. So I went out and loked at my newer model 1010 block and was comparing it to the 2010 block, looked the same. But I also have a older 1010 diesel block that doesn't look like the 2010 at all.
I was wondering where all the extra power came from

if anyone out there has a 1010 diesel sleave plate send me a PM, I guess I would also be interested in a complete 2010 diesel in working condition or short block.

jtrichard · Post by **jtrichard** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:30 am

i have been told the the 2010 gas sleeve is the same as 1010 diesel and they can be found aftermarket

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:33 am

REALLY WOW!!! The search begins

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:23 pm

jtrichard wrote:block is different sleeve is different bigger bore 145ci vs 155ci i dont think it would hurt to put the higher HP in the 1010 it has been done before you might have to watch just how hard you work her

Looking at parts manual for 1010 vs 2010 and the later 1010 diesel blocks are same part number as the 2010 diesel (T17513T), so I guess the sleave and pistons are only thing different. I wonder if same sleeve but just bored out a little more, or maybe the the plate is the same and the sleeves them self are just bigger.

And your right the the 2010 gasser has same part number for sleeve as the 1010 diesel, I haven't found a after market place yet. Anyone know???

Brian

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:44 pm

I believe Lavoy sells aftermarket engine kits for 2010 gas engines- however 2010 diesel engine parts (including deck sleeve) are supposedly Deere only.

There are a number of really good posts in the archives here about swapping 2010 and 1010 engines, as well as other John Deere machines like combnes and power plants. Do a search with my username, Lavoy or Jdemaris and you will find them.

mnwoody · Post by **mnwoody** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:34 pm

Can a 1010 deck sleeve be bored out to accept a 2010 diesel piston? Would the sleeve deck need to be in the block to bore it? If this would work it would be a great way to get clean bore for the 2010 diesel.

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:41 pm

mnwoody wrote:Can a 1010 deck sleeve be bored out to accept a 2010 diesel piston? Would the sleeve deck need to be in the block to bore it? If this would work it would be a great way to get clean bore for the 2010 diesel.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW!!!

APPEARS TO BE THE ONLY DIFFERENT IN 2010 VS 1010 DIESEL MOTORS.
IF THIS IS POSSIBLE I COULD SAVE A BUNDLE BY SWITCHING TO A 2010... HA HA
does anyone know the piston size of a 2010? and 1010 is 3.625"

Brian

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:55 pm

bingles wrote:
mnwoody wrote:Can a 1010 deck sleeve be bored out to accept a 2010 diesel piston? Would the sleeve deck need to be in the block to bore it? If this would work it would be a great way to get clean bore for the 2010 diesel.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW!!! APPEARS TO BE THE ONLY DIFFERENT IN 2010 VS 1010 DIESEL MOTORS.
IF THIS IS POSSIBLE I COULD SAVE A BUNDLE BY SWITCHING TO A 2010... HA HA
does anyone know the piston size of a 2010? and 1010 is 3.625"

Brian

I found it the 2010 diesel has a bore of 3 7/8" I will have to ask my machine shop if thats too much to take off and still cool good. then again I don't run this old girl too much.

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:40 am

No, it can not, there is no where near enough meat to do it. I am just too short on time right now to try and find all my manuals, but there are way more difference than you have listed. Only commonality between 1010 and 2010 that I know if is 1010 diesel and 2010 gas use the same deck sleeve. There are undoubtedly other things like glow plugs and such, but I highly doubt that blocks interchange at all. Not that something can not be cobbled together, but not factory.
Lavoy

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:19 am

I dont know just going by the part numbers out of the 2010 crawler vs 1010 Crawler, and the newer 1010 bare Block (T17513T) is the same part number as the 2010 bare block (T17513T), as with the crank, connecting rods, cam, bearings, valves, injectors, glow plugs and head. I see the pistons, sleeve deck are different as well with some other small things and probably injection pump but I don't know have not checked the pump serial numbers.

When comparing my 2010 engine to my 1010 the are identical on outside, but not my older block 1010 it looks completely different with respect to supports casted into the block and main bearing caps are thinner.

So ideally I could put 2010 pistons and sleeve in my newer 1010 block and have same factory stuff as the 2010 was shipped with. Again not sure about the injection pumps I will look and see. Also the 2010 parts manual I am looking at is for a 2010 Crawler and a 1010 Crawler.

I could be wrong this is just what I am seeing in part numbers... I have only taken 2 1010 diesel apart not taken a 2010 apart yet.

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:39 am

Keep in mind that depending on revision, what you are seeing is replacement part numbers and sub numbers, so not always the best guide.
If you put a 2010 HP level engine in a 1010, buy drivetrain parts in bulk, you will need them.
Lavoy

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:53 am

ya I hear ya, I started looking into this because every time I was getting part prices from my local john deere he kept saying that part is same as the 2010 and that the 2010 parts are more available used on ebay, then I go to ebay and almost everything says 1010 or 2010, so I downloaded both parts manuals and sure enough same dam thing except what I mentioned.

The 1010 is 40hp and the 2010 is 50hp I dont do hard work with my 1010, my thoughts are that I can run the motor a little lower RPM instead having to rev it up sometimes.

I am just trying to find cheapest way to get my old girl going... But seeing how I cant bore a 1010 plate kinda kills my options. I wonder how think a 2010 sleeve deck is? because it still has to fit into the same 1010 engine block and holes at the bottom. Does anyone have this stuff laying around so we could see?

As always Lavoy thanks for your tips!!!!

Brian

bingles · Post by **bingles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:17 am

I went out and measured the hole in block where the sleeve plate meets the rubber orings, They may be same block but those holes had to be bigger to except a 2010 sleeve if the 2010 is 3 7/8". So that bare block parts number thats same for 1010 and 2010 cant be right.

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