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Post by Lavoy » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:43 am

Which manual? Not that it can't be, but I have never seen that in a Deere manual.
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Post by rrwayside » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:34 am

It is a reprint I bought on ebay,supposedly a reprint of original dealer manual."Starting with a composition facing,alternately install eight compostion facings and eight steel plates"

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Post by Lavoy » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:49 pm

I guess I will have to plead ignorance on this one. I can think of no possible reason they would want a steel against the pressure plate. I would chalk it up to a printing error, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Gil » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:18 pm

The original Service Manual said: "Starting with a composition facing, alternately install seven composition facings and six steel plates". When they went to 8 and 8 after serial number 455633, they may have gone back to the printer and said change "7 and 6" to "8 and 8", without considering the first phrase of the sentence.

However, I don't know that it would make a lot of difference. In fact, since the steel disks do not move in relation to the pressure plate, having a steel disk directly against it might keep the surface of the pressure plate from wearing. Gil
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Post by rrwayside » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:49 am

Still have issues.I started with a steel plate ending with a fiber,just makes more sense to me.I adjusted the fingers on the pressure plate with the gauge.I got final back in.Tried to adjust linkage for proper freeplay on the lever which was not possible.I have about 1/2" of play/space between throwout bearing and fingers.Really starting to test my patience.Back to the drawing board.I am thorough in all that I do,heeding all advice everyone has offered and anything that my manual recommends.And still..... The only possibility I see is that someone welded the steering arm on,possibly they didn't get it welded in the correct position.Other than that I don't know where to look next.BUT I will figure it out.Thanks again.

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Post by Lavoy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:46 am

Check the steering lever shaft, make sure the key is not sheared, or something out of place there.
The vertical shaft in there can sometimes get twisted by people who think if you jerk hard enough on the steering lever, a stuck clutch will break free. Same with the little lever on the top, they are very often broken or cracked.
Which style adjuster do you have, the old 3 piece, or the newere style 2 piece? My experience has been the older ones never quite adjust out as well.
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your steering problems

Post by vtjoe » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:42 am

I personally think that a picture or two would be a good idea to show what is happening here
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Post by Gil » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:04 am

I have kind of lost track of the problem. Can you restate what is happening now when you try to move the crawler. Are you still getting no drive power from the right side? If the throw out bearing is not even touching the pressure plate and if your brake band is free, steering arm adjustments are not going to help solve your underlying problem.

We are still relying on the analysis that the clutch disks are "good". I keep wondering about your comment that you had a broken pressure plate finger. Something caused that. Gil
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Post by rrwayside » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:37 am

The first time I put it back together I did not adjust the pressure plate and the throwout bearing was disingaging the clutch.Pulled it out again,adjusted the fingers,then was unable to get the throwout to disingage,did not try to drive it,realized it before I had it all back together.Pulled apart again.Found the Rocker arm for the adjuster was slipping on the shaft,welded a new end on the lever which had been welded to the shaft.Looked as though the shaft was rotated counterclockwise a bit causing me to lose some adjustment in the linkage.Also made a new bushing that hold the shaft.Everything seems tight now,I think we may have got it this time,will let you know later.I didn't have a broken finger,it was a broken fork.

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Post by rrwayside » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:11 pm

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!!I finally got to use my dozer.It is steering pretty good on the side I fixed.The latest problem was in the linkage.The arm hooked to the adjustable linkage was slipping,ended up drilling and putting in a set screw,man is the shaft hard.Had to use a grinding bit.The other side is in need of the same overhaul.At least I know better what to do now,thanks to all who replied.

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