440- Rock guards- Install or not?

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440- Rock guards- Install or not?

Post by 440 iron popper » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:42 am

Hello, I am currently rebuilding the side frames of my 440. Extraction of bolts, then sandblast. More than 2 lines= debug mode... sorry
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Post by whiteclipse16 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:04 am

I give up
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Post by jtrichard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:55 am

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Post by 440 iron popper » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:49 pm

I will install new rollers and hardware, paint them etc. I ve been told to not put the rock guards on because they just pack the mud, dirt between them and break bolts. Especially if they don t help to guide the chain, i m thinking about not installing them. What is your idea on that? I use the dozer in the woods so it drives on soil, mud, vegetation but no rocks. Thanks!
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Post by 440 iron popper » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:53 pm

No apostrophe seems to be the trick. Thanks Jtrichard
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Post by jtrichard » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:00 am

IT varies (editing) but seems to work most of the time
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:38 am

Hi,

Today is seems to want short paragraphs, no more than two lines, even when editing. Sigh.

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Post by pop pop » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:56 am

the guards can stiffen the rails. if no rocks then maybe not needed.
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Post by 440 iron popper » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:00 pm

Thanks pop pop. If it helps guiding the rails i will install them otherwise it would be off to help self cleaning. Do you think roller flanges alone are not enough?
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Post by Scottyb » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:47 pm

I have one on, and the other off, on my 350b. Three times I have had the track off on the side without the guards. Every time in a hole or in deep bush, Each time I promise myself to put that one back on. It is still off. This spring I promise.
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Post by 440 iron popper » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:18 am

Scottyb, thanks for your input. That s exactly why the dozer is in the garage this winter for. I don t want to throw a track off in the woods anymore... i will install them. Better work in the garage than in the mud trying to be back on tracks.
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Post by Lavoy » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:34 pm

Rockguards are structural on any 5 roller crawler, always reinstall.
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Post by 440 iron popper » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:11 pm

Thanks Lavoy. I will. About the 10 spacer pipes... The id of the spacer pipe is .824 on jdparts.com. The original bolt that goes through it is 5/8. I Think i will install 3/4 threaded rod in there. Rock guard to track frame bolts are all 9/16 now from previous repair i guess. Some more work ahead.
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Post by mini kahuna » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:26 pm

Lavoy beat me to it, they add needed strength to the frame.
take your time and rebuild as needed with new bolts etc.....no easy way to work on the track frames once they are back on the machine
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Post by fundytides » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:34 am

are rock guards structural on a 4 roller 40c as well
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