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1010 slipping

Post by jrhaines2 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:34 pm

I have a 1010 and when I get up against it on a straight hard push such as a tree I have something slipping (tracks not turning).I have a reverser so aside from my steering clutches,where else could the slippage come from?

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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by gregjo1948 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:24 am

Steering clutches adjustment is where I'd start. I'm thinking that, you may be able to see in thru the clutch covers, to see if they're moving when the "slipping" occurs. If they're moving, they're slipping. If it's not the clutches, you reverser is the problem. Everything else is gears that can't slip. You will probably want to get a shop(repair) manual to check the pressures for the reverser. Does it slip in both directions?
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by jrhaines2 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:08 am

It's possible it's the steering clutches but I just had both sides apart and went through them.Both sides are slipping evenly so that is another reason I leaned towards it not being the steering clutches.I just now came in from trying it while the machine was not warmed up and in reverse against a tree it would spin the tracks in 3rd gear.In forward it spun in 1st and barely in 2nd.Last time I tried a straight push on a tree it would not spin in 1st.My grousers are below 50%.Thanks for the reply.

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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by Lavoy » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:54 pm

If it is temp related, very possibly a reverser issue. If you know it is not the clutches, really no other culprit than reverser.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by gregjo1948 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:12 am

Sounds like it may be a weak reverser hydraulic pump. Pull the nose, hydraulic pump, radiator, and engine then the pump, I think is on the front of the reverser housing.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by jrhaines2 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:28 am

Never in my life had I owned something that I used so little and worked on so much.Can I expect it to slowly get worse or progressively get worse? I use it less than 5 hours a year.

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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by original possum » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:28 am

If what gear you are in makes a difference in the tracks spinning then it is the reverser. The steering clutches don't know or care what gear you are in, the torque is the same.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by Lavoy » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:49 pm

If it is slipping, it will get progressively worse, and more expensive.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by jrhaines2 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:20 am

What is typically involved in an R&R and what might the cost be.Not sure I want to dive any deeper into this machine time wise and money wise for something that gets used less than 10 hours a year.

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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by gregjo1948 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:17 am

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Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:28 am
If what gear you are in makes a difference in the tracks spinning then it is the reverser. The steering clutches don't know or care what gear you are in, the torque is the same.
Wouldn't the clutches be more apt to slip in forth gear ,than in first gear? It's harder to move the tracks fast, than it is to move them slow.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by original possum » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:24 am

It takes the same amount of torque to spin the tracks, regardless of the gear.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by gregjo1948 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:20 am

Seems like the engine clutch is more apt to slip in a faster gear.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by Lavoy » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:01 am

No engine clutch in a 1010 reverser crawler, but in general you are right. They will slip worse in the higher gears, likely due to the gear reduction of the lower gears multiplying the available torque making them pull in the lower gears.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by gregjo1948 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:17 am

Lavoy wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:01 am
No engine clutch in a 1010 reverser crawler, but in general you are right. They will slip worse in the higher gears, likely due to the gear reduction of the lower gears multiplying the available torque making them pull in the lower gears.
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I realize there's no clutch used with a reverser. I was just trying to make a point about more slippage in a higher(faster) gear. I thought that would apply to steering clutches also.
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Re: 1010 slipping

Post by Lavoy » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:26 am

It should, doesn't seem to affect them quite as much as engine for some reason.
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