steering problems on 440 icd

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steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:51 pm

HI, I'm new here looking for information on my john deere 440icd. It doesn't want to steer all that well. I started it today it seem to steer to the left ok, until it warmed up then not so much.... to the left, it didn't want to steer at all but seemed to dog the engine down to where it would stall it. finally it went left a couple times then back to just dogging the motor down. does it need new bands? clutches? adjusted? I'm lost. thanks. John.

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:02 pm

I'm sorry it steers to the left, but not so much to the right, it wants to kill the motor.

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:33 am

Hi,

If you pull back on the stick and it bogs the engine, the brake is applying without the clutch releasing. Might be out of adjustment. Might be a stuck steering clutch pack.

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by dtoots1 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:55 am

That is definitely adjustment problem....tho could also be stuck clutch....get book out and start adjustment procedures and follow closely. 440 steering lever needs to be out from dash 1 1/2 to 1 5/8 and throwout just touching the fingers. back off the brake band engaging finger bolt so is clearance..ie not applying the brakes while getting throwout bearing to touch the clutch fingers. once clutch touching, tighten the throwout bearing lockdown bolt...which you should have loosened first so that bearing can be moved to fingers....then adjust the engaging finger bolt down to touch band and then back that off 1/2 turn. Also find the slotted brake band adjusting bolt/nut tighten till firm, then back that off about 2 clicks..

Once that is done you should have steering back, unless there are internal problems...clutch fingers have been known to collapse and lock down, i also had my brake band break in half, these are old machine and old parts. Best check and see if any oils leaking in and polluting the brakes/clutchs too...if so will need replacing.

hopefully LAVOY will get it moved to early forum.

PS...edit profile and let us know what area you in city, state?

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:45 am

Hi,

And, what we mean by Stuck is that the throwout bearing will release the pressure plate but there is a film of rust on the surfaces of the steel discs Sticking them to the fiber discs. So, even with no pressure clamping them together, the Steels and the Fibers still drive power to the track.

But, you have to be certain that the pressure plate is releasing prior to the brake engaging first. So, you need to go thru the adjustment procedure first. Once you are sure of that, we can go into more regarding stuck discs and/or swollen fiber discs (which also will not release).....

All we know so far is that side is not releasing power prior to the brake band engaging the outside of the drum.

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Thanks for all the helpful info. I got a book for it will adjust tomorrow my steering handles are all the way to dash. I will have to adjust them. Thanks for answering my questions.

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:55 pm

I adjusted the left side brought the throw out bearing out and it seemed to steer half way decent. now the right side is not steering so well...... its frustrating but a lot of fun too!!!!

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by Wilbur » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:53 pm

When you are done getting yours adjusted come over my way. I'll let you adjust my 440! :D :D
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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:57 am

Good luck Wilbur if I can ever figure this out!!! :lol:

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by jmarcarley » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:40 pm

hi,

Thanks Dtoots and Stan for all your help. :D I followed your advice and with what you told me and what I got from the book it seems to steer good now. thanks a lot you guys are great!!! :D :D :D

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Re: steering problems on 440 icd

Post by Stan Disbrow » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:41 pm

Hi,

Woo hoo! :)

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