2010C, newbie to crawlers.

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2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:48 pm

Hello everyone, I am glad I have found this forum! Seems to be lots of good info here!

The other day I picked up a 2010C with I believe is the 602 blade?

It’s the 4 cylinder diesel.

Also, the diesel primer hoses are gone, and someone has removed the 2 canister filters on the left side of the engine and put a single inline filter there.

I am wanting to fully test and diagnose it’s starting issue, but I can’t find anything on doing a compression test on these.

One other thing is I need to fully check the pump timing and it’s flow to be sure that it is working.

At least 3 cylinders are getting fuel up to them. It’s not pouring out when cranking with the banjos loose (was hoping to see it pour out like my little tractor).



Too early to tell yet. I don’t know much about them, so I’m here to get educated!

The good news is that the undercarriage seems to be in pretty good shape overall, I’ll dig into more of that if I can get it started.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by gregjo1948 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:43 am

I'll say get the filters back on it and repair the primer system. Get the glow plugs working properly also. You shouldn't use starting fluid. The 2010 and little brother 1010 used JD's first diesel dozer engine. They seemed to be a bit difficult to start and if you used starting fluid on them I think they liked to break the top rings. Not saying you can't use it but, do it very sparingly. I never harmed the 1010 I had using starting fluid but I started cranking the engine over first then, lightly sprayed the fluid. I don't think you should use the fluid and the glow plugs together. May be BOOM.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:40 am

My little Yanmar tractor that I have was subject to someone using ether. Both pistons were cracked and had broken rings.

Where might I find the filter housing? It’s completely gone.

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Lavoy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:43 pm

The single filter you have, is it a cheap gas engine inline filter, or is a replacement diesel fuel filter?
No accurate way to test the pump for flow on the engine, so I would try and start it and see what it does.
What do you mean by the glow plugs are worn? Either way, they are cheap, replace them.
Compression test is done with a diesel compression tester and the proper adapters, no other way.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:38 pm

The filter they have replaced it with is a cheap $3 inline gasoline filter.

Unfortunately the entire fuel filter housing/assembly is gone as well as the steel lines that it uses. I have dealt with those square filters in the past on other equipment, I don't mind them at all, but having trouble locating the actual mounting housing.

Would something like this work just fine since it is a fuel and water separator? or is there something specific that it needs to be due to how the fuel system is designed from the factory?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/SeaSense-Uni ... rdEALw_wcB

I am very curious about how the fuel flow of this system works. Also on the injection pump, there is a line that goes up to the tank off the back side of the injection pump this was dry when I took the hose off and the valve apart. The fuel tank is just shy of being half full.

When I say glow plugs are worn, as they are quite a bit shorter than they appear in pictures, but I do have a new set on the way from Steiner Tractor.


For right now, when I am trying to start it, I hold the glow plug wire to the battery for about 30 seconds, then hit the starter at the same time, I will get some small puffs of white smoke out of it, but in no way does it even seem like it is trying to actually fire, spit or sputter.

Thank you.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Jim B » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:14 pm

By serial number and the parts catalog, your original had one base with two cannisters having replaceable elements inside them. Check with Lavoy (postmaster@jdcrawler.com) to see if he might have a used one or a different one that will work. He might have a newer spin on type. Salvage yards and eBay are other options.

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Post by Indirocz28 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:24 pm

I just found a used setup online cross referenced from E-bay. I probably paid too much for the assembly but I like having original parts that bolt right on. It was $135 shipped.

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by gregjo1948 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:39 am

I think the fuel line off the rear of the pump is probably the fuel return line. I think my 1010 had a shutoff valve up under the tank on that line which, if not open, it wouldn't run.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:33 am

That’s what I thought I had read on a different thread.

It is open though. So I guess that’s one thing eliminated.

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Jim B » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:37 am

You haven't said if you have the manuals for it. If you don't, getting a set would be a good first step. They will help you with info you said you are looking for on the fuel and electrical systems. Having the printed info in front of you when looking the systems on your machine over will help you greatly. Beware that many of the cheap reprints are poor quality and a waste of money in my opinion. The actual JD manuals are best. If you are looking at reprints ask for opinions of them here before you buy, it may prevent you ending up with bad copies. JMHO.

The John Deere publication numbers for the 2010 manuals are: Service Manual # SM2037, Operator's Manual # OM T19256, Parts Manual # PC 728. I believe the 602 dozer blade was on the 440IC and 440ICDs. Yours maybe a 625, it should have/had a tag on it somewhere maybe someone can tell you exactly where to look. The manuals for a 625 are: Operator's Manual #OM U13340 and the Parts Catalog is # PC 625. Again Lavoy is a source for manuals. You can get printed copies of the parts catalogs. The parts catalogs are also available on-line for free viewing/use at https://jdparts.deere.com/servlet/com.d ... anguage=19.
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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:36 am

I did already order a set of manuals

These are the ones I purchased:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SERVICE-MANUAL ... 2749.l2649

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Jim B » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:24 am

Good, those should help you. The couple sets from that company I've seen pretty good as reprints go, the colored schematics are good to have. I see I fat fingered the number for the PC wrong in my post, the PC728 is correct. The SM2036 (from the 2010 manual info on the FAQ board) I posted is for the wheel tractors, SM2037 is the crawlers. (I'm going to edit those in my post to the right ones for future reference).

In looking more at the parts catalog it appears the 2010 used the 625 and 626 outside blades, It looks like the change to 626 was 1962 so yours may be a 626. The 602 blade was 90" , the 625 and 626 were 93"; by the parts catalogs.

Good luck. Jim

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:07 am

Jim, thank you for providing that info!

I'd still like to see if there is a PN out there for a compression test adapter tool as well.

I hope that I didn't get hurt in buying this thing for $2500.

Should I check timing with the injection pump?

Also, is the fuel return line up from the IP up to the tank supposed to be dry, or when I crack it open should there be fuel in that line?

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Jim B » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:30 am

My thoughts on the adapter for your compression tester adapter is that it would be an accessory for your brand of tester, not necessarily a JD part. Start with your tester manufacturer. JD likely has an adapter for the compression tester the service tools their service people have, whether it will work with your tester is a question. You could go to your local dealer and see what they have and if it will work with your tester. If it does you can see if they will sell you one.

The return line may have drained out over time if there was a minor leak. Try to start it as Lavoy said. Don't mess with timing or anything else until you know if it will start. In one of your photos it looked like the intake manifold was open. You need to be sure nothing has gotten in there before trying to start it. I would get the filters on and plumbed. Test the glow plugs and replace if needed, might be worth to just go ahead and replace those. Hand prime the system and bleed it. Crack the injector lines at the injectors when cranking it over. Make sure you have plenty of battery when cranking it. Don't go too long at a time without letting the starter cool.

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Re: 2010C, newbie to crawlers.

Post by Indirocz28 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Alright so I have dropped the belly pan, and pressure washed the whole thing, and now it is at least inside of my garage so I can begin tinkering out of the elements.

Some things I have found out today are that the #3 fuel line from IP to the injector needs replaced. Something at some point in time had worn through the bottom of it, someone slid a piece of rubber hose over it and taped the hose over the steel line. While it was not leaking badly it did have evidence of some seepage through the steel line. I was able to find one on e-bay.

The next thing I have found (after getting fuel back into the return side of the system for now with the cheap gasoline fuel filter), is that I indeed do have fuel, pumping. Pumping so well in fact that even with the banjo bolt tight on the #3 injector that fuel was leaking out. So I removed the banjo bolt figuring the copper washers were bad, only to find out that the threads inside of the injector head are stripped out.

Does anyone know where I might find a good replacement injector, or any suggestions on what I should do here?

Thank you

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