JD 2010c Diesel No Start

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JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:12 pm

Just picked up a 1964 JD 2010c with a 4in1 loader bucket. Machine is in good shape overall but having a hard time getting it to start. Machine appears to have a new cylinder head on it and cranks over smooth. Put new fuel filters on it and bled the furl out to the injectors, but cant get it to fire. Am i missing something?
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Jim B » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:47 pm

You said it cranks over smooth but how fast is it cranking over? Are the glow plugs working? Is it smoking when you crank it? Did it start better when you got it? Did the starting problem develop since you changed the fuel filters? If so what brand and number filter did you install?

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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:01 pm

I got it not running. I dont really have any history on when it last ran either. I havnt tried the glow plugs yet, but after reading, i now see they are definitely needed and I should make sure they are working! I am getting no smoke at all and the engine seems to be turning over around 100rpm. I changed the fuel filters just as a precaution
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by gaspumpsam » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:14 pm

I would check and adjust valves to begin with. 100 RPM doesn’t sound fast enough.

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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51 pm

Yeah i was thinking of pulling the valve cover. It has a new head on it, so who knows what has been done to it
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by gregjo1948 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:38 am

I'm not sure about the 2010C machines but, when I had a1010C, it was a hard starter. It had glow plugs and a primer also. In the dead of winter I had to resort to starting fluid. (without glow plugs) It's not recommended to use starting fluid on the 1010 or the 2010. I guess it can break the top rings. When using the fluid, I would start the engine cranking over and give just a slight mist, so it wouldn't load up in the oil bath air filter. I would also hook up jumper cables to it to help cranking power. I'd also recommend using anti-gel to keep the fuel thinned down.
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Jim B » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:24 am

Getting the first start will likely be hard given the history you have/don't have on it. Are you working on it inside a shop or outdoors? In the shop - turn the heat up. If out doors can you get a tarp over it and use a space heater to warm it up good before trying it? (Get it ready to try, then warm it up before trying.) An electric heat gun blowing hot air directly in the intake manifold, when you crank it over to start, might help. Clamp a piece of window screen over the opening so nothing gets sucked in.

Once you get it going you may want to consider adding a coolant heater to it if you plan on starting it in colder temperatures.

Starting fluid should be avoided. Never use it with glow plugs, explosions can occur. I haven't done it but saw the results on a truck that was given ether with the glow plug working, not good. If it is used only a light sniff to a cranking engine as Greg posted.

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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:43 am

Ok thanks for the input! Im going to try again tonight after work! We dragged it into the shop last night so its nice and warm! Im going to make sure the glow plugs are working and everything is how it should be! I also noticed that the fuel return line on the back of the injection pump is busted, so im going to replace that as well
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:05 pm

So little update! Glowplugs work perfectly. I replaced the fuel line on the return side of the injection pump. Heated intake with torch and still nothing. So i pulled the injectors to check them out and for test purposes, i flipped the injector over and hooked it back up to see how the fuel spray was, amd there is nothing. With the injector removed, the fuel will pulse out of the line when cranking, but not enough to fire the injector by the looks of it. So im leaning towards an injection pump problem.
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by gaspumpsam » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:06 pm

I don’t think I would go there yet. If the injectors pulse fuel , the pump has to be putting enough pressure to at least cause blue smoke. I would be checking valve setting, and adjust all. Seeings you bought it not running, with a new cyl head, the previous owner had a problem also. I would check pump timing, plus find the TDC mark( I don’t know where it is on your machine) turn crank until TDC mark line up with pointer, then check valves, if it’s a 4 cyl, either #1 both valves will be “loose” and #4 will be rocking or “tight” or the opposite - #1 will be “ rocking” and #4 both valve rockers will be loose. Then you will prove timing is
More than likely will be correct(camshaft). If #1 is loose, there will be a window or spot on injection pump that will line up and tell you pump timing is correct( this will be shown in your shop manual).
Next would be to check compression - should be about 350 psi ( I believe) low compression it won’t start.

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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by gaspumpsam » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:13 pm

Sorry, in rereading your post I thought it said fuel pulsed out of injector, but now I see it only came out of line.
Maybe air in fuel pump, or as Jim b states, fuel filter seals on these filters are a bearcat, and if put in wrong, no fuel. Maybe something to check first. I still would set valves, then you know they are set properly.
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:26 pm

Yeah i think i will definitely check the valves next. Ran out of time tonight! And yes no fuel coming out of the injectors. Possibly air bound, i had to get a new fuel primer. The one one it was broken
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:07 am

Valve train all checks out ok. I pulled the pump and I’m gonna send it to a pump shop i have used many times, good reputable place! Another thing I noticed is that there seems to be coolant leaking from the bolts that hold the pre chambers into the head. Is there normally coolant behind those? Is a thread sealant needed?
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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Jim B » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:41 am

Did you set the timing before you pulled the pump? Do you have the service manual SM2036 for it? If you don't there is a copy of the SM2035 for the wheel tractors (2000 series tractors) on line at https://archive.org/details/John_Deere_Company. It should be at the right end of the top row. The engine info should be relevant to your crawler and may help if you don't have a manual at present. You can down load and save a copy if you want. I believe Lavoy can help you out with the right manual if you have one and want to get one for it.

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Re: JD 2010c Diesel No Start

Post by Zlkaser » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:01 am

Thanks for the info! That is good to know! I do have the operator and service manuals for it though, so i should be in good shape!
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