rebuilding 420c tracks

joe kitza · Post by **joe kitza** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:07 am

looking for somebody that rebuilds tracks northwestern pa. smokinjoes2@windstream.net

Lu47Dan · Post by **Lu47Dan** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:28 pm

Joe , welcome to the conversation .
As for some one to rebuild your tracks , I am assuming you are talking about repin/rebush them . I live in Vernon Township (near the airport) . I am still checking with various sources for that service .
My 420 is being rebuild right now as it was in bad shape when I bought it . Will send you the info IF I can find someone . Dan

Post by **Lavoy** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:49 pm

The main problem right now is finding pins and bushings. The supply is sporadic at best, terrible at worst. I am out until sometime this summer as a best guess, fall or winter at worst.
If you mean building your rails up with weld, not re-pinning them, I doubt you will find anyone. I don't think there are a lot of rail builders left in the country, and even at that, I don't know if they will build up rails this small. 20 years ago or more, there was one at the Allis shop here in town, a freind of mine's dad owne it. I bet they threw it out for scrap when they moved to the new dealership.
Lavoy

jdjoe_indiana · Post by **jdjoe_indiana** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:47 pm

Lavoy, I have a 420 as well and am also concerned on the bushing and pins. Is the part numbers in question M2955T bushing, and M2956T Pin? Is it that deere still lists them but dosn't have any available? Just curious I realize it appears two and four bolt pads are different pins and bushing I think...but computer is not pulling up the pdf right now to double check. What is the draw back of having these made by a fabrication shop? I realize I am not the first to think of this but wondering what the primary issues have been with this idea in the past. Thanks.

Post by **Lavoy** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:10 am

As far as I know, they are current from Deere, so we always have that fallback. The bad part is they are around $1600 for a set.
As long as the 4 bolt rails you are talking about are 1010 rails, then the pins and bushings are the same.
Pins and bushings are very hard, to have them made, they would have to be hardened. Not that it can't be done, but I doubt that it can be done cheaper than you can buy them from Deere.
I am trying to get more pins and bushings, my hope is some time this summer.
Lavoy

jdjoe_indiana · Post by **jdjoe_indiana** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:22 pm

Lavoy,

Makes sense now, I didn't realize you had another source besides mother deere. What have the parts from yourself ran in the past compared to deere? Also I know off topic a little, but anyone have a good source for a service manual resonable for a 420. I can trade parts manual pdf. file for one. Thanks.

Post by **Lavoy** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:05 pm

Joe,
It varies widely, but $750-$1000 pretty much covers it.
I have service manuals on hand if you need one.
Lavoy

jdjoe_indiana · Post by **jdjoe_indiana** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:14 pm

Wow..and that is just parts...whew.. I remember you saying a year or so ago that a guy should figure $1000 per side. I really need to get mine off and see how bad they are. What kind of results have you had getting tracks that have been sitting loosened up? Any tricks to having good sucess?? As soon as I get my dad's JD 730 D rebuilt I am tackling the crawler. If you want to see another expensive beast to buy parts for that is the one!!

Plan on going to Moline over spring break maybe they have pins and bushings in the Pavilion.....!!!

Post by **Lavoy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:50 pm

Back when I talked to you, it was $1000 per pair, parts and labor. I am still not far off of that when I can find more reasonable pins and bushings and get a freight savings somehow.
Tight tracks are a pain, best bet I can tell you is submerge them in water for a while so the rust absorbs the water. Friend of mine saved a set that was as stiff as a board with a steam cleaner. He worked each link individually, and slowly the rust bled out and he was able to save them.
Lavoy

jdemaris · Post by **jdemaris** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:03 am

joe kitza wrote:looking for somebody that rebuilds tracks northwestern pa. smokinjoes2@windstream.net

I'm in central New York and the one place left in this general area is Flo-Weld in Germantown. They have pin and bushings in stock for 420s and 1010s IF the bushings are 1 3/4" diameter. Some, especially with aftermarket tracks have 1 9/16" bushings which this place can't get anymore.

If you have the 1 3/4" bushings, he charges $1200 to put new pins and bushings in two tracks (that includes parts and labor for a pair).

Their phone # is 518-537-6268. They're fast since most people bring tracks from long distances and have them done while they wait.

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:26 am

All 420, 430, 440, 1010, and 2010 to 42,000 are 1 9/16" bushings. If any of these have 1 3/4" bushings, they have been changed to 350 rails (or late 2010 if you want to call it that). 1 3/4" bushings are 2010 after 42,000 and 350.
Lavoy

jdemaris · Post by **jdemaris** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:03 pm

Lavoy wrote:All 420, 430, 440, 1010, and 2010 to 42,000 are 1 9/16" bushings. If any of these have 1 3/4" bushings, they have been changed to 350 rails (or late 2010 if you want to call it that). 1 3/4" bushings are 2010 after 42,000 and 350.
Lavoy

According the guy at the track shop, some aftermarket track chains made for 420s up through 1010s have the bigger bushings. True or not, it doesn't really matter since he gave the size bushings he does have. I personally have no experience with aftermarket chains except for the Bercos on my Allis Chalmers. When we had a two track presses going at the last Deere dealership, we refused to touch aftermarket tracks; thus my lack of knowledge on the subject - and there were and are many aftermarket tracks around this area.

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:52 pm

What he was likely referring to was 350 rails, I run into this frequently. Even had one guy swear up and down he could get new rails for his 420, and no they were not 350 rails. Turns out the guys that quoted him new rails are personal friends of mine, and yes they explained to him that it was 350 rails not 420, but people hear what they want to.
Lavoy

Eric.MacLeod · Post by **Eric.MacLeod** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:32 pm

whats this lavoy? new tracks for the 420! thats the news i was waiting to hear, ha ha the long winter has finally got to me,and the wife say i only hear what i want to also...Eric

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:04 pm

I wish there were some new ones out there. I can probably only build two or three more sets of used, and then only if I can come up with some pins and bushings. I got a phone call today from the friends I mentioned above, and one of their old customer brought in a half set of 420 pins and bushings they wanted to know if I was interested in. They had been sitting in a closet in his house for the last 20 years or more. No idea why he would have stored them in a closet in the house, but sure made for a good story. So, at least I was able to come up with half a set, guess I need to make a road trip this week or next.
Lavoy

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