2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer

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2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer

Post by dtoots1 » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:47 pm

well got the old girl running! BUT after adjusting 1 1/2 inch free play in clutch back to 1 in free....i no longer have power to tracks and do get a noise from the clutch so twood appear i now have to take her all apart to the clutch and see about replacing whatever in that....so what does engine weigh with oil etc
do i need drain again...will probably replace antifreeze now since winter on way but at least we know she runs good

while i had her on jacks i did run thru gears and reverse and tracks run ok ---- suppose weight on it makes bigg difference!!!

owner says that when was running u could gets power but to shift back to reverse had to shut down for about min or so and then shift and start back up...so would seem clutch has been a problem all along tool.....

Lavoy can u give me ball park figure for the clutch, pressure plate etc plus the gauge needed to set the clutch? u can send a pm if u prefer. does flywheel prefer to be resurfaced when replacing clutch???

will know more when i get into it but for now will need ballpark figure..if u have the parts available.

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Post by Lavoy » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:26 pm

I will need to know whether HLR or Synchromesh trans. Send me an e-mail when you get a chance with the info, and I will do some digging.
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Post by jtrichard » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:08 pm

Lavoy his is a Synchromesh trans pre 42000 i"ve seen pics of it before
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2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer constant mesh tran

Post by dtoots1 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:31 am

serial number is 32487 so is before the 32 qts trans/hydr system that starts with 34743 and up in the book

also...Lavoy i sent a pm to u as my email not working

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2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer constant mesh tran

Post by dtoots1 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:39 am

also any of u guys out there......is there a seal between the left final and the left steering brake?....seems the left final was really low on oil and when i first looked at left brake we had oil and water in the bottom..drain hole was plugged with crud cleaned and drained that area and after getting engine going while on jackstands tried her out and both steering brakes worked fine both forward and reverse,, but course no weight on the tracks...both sides run and stopped with the steering brakes when applied.

if is seal then does final have to come off and if is a seal assume that where oil got to the steering brake cavity.

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Post by jtrichard » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:09 pm

that is not a "drain" hole .....a part that aligns the brake is missing .... yes there is a seal and NO the final does NOT have to come off but you have to remove the steering clutch to replace the seal and hope your pinion shaft is ok as the bearing rides right on the shaft and there is no fix you have to replace
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Post by dtoots1 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:01 pm

jt....so it tis...and is missing from both sides....i thought my book said something bout that......would anyone have any of them available??? i assume it locks the position so that the brakes will clamp stead of move around.
when i said low oil on the final....was not even a pint to come out!!! would it all get into the brake cavity?

what kind of price u suppose those shafts would entail...if even available?

hopefully Lavoy or one of the guys would have a couple
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Post by jtrichard » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:38 pm

i know where there is one NOS for like $400 plus.... the "plug" has a small pin in it that locates the brake band side to side to keep it centered on the drum ....with it gone it will let oil ect out and everything else in :shock: :shock:
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Re: 2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer constant mesh tran

Post by Tigerhaze » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:14 am

dtoots1 wrote: when i said low oil on the final....was not even a pint to come out!!! would it all get into the brake cavity? dtoots1
The finals on a 2010 are a closed system- oil can only come out the fill or drain plugs, or out the pinion seal and into the steering clutch housing (assuming final is not cracked). You should pull the inspection plate on the steering clutch housing and see if it looks oily in there.

If you have a bad seal and refill now, you will likely cause the fiber discs to become oily, but you also don't want to run a final dry and ruin the gear set. It would be easiest in the long run to pull the final and check everything out since you also have the issue with the alignment bolt and the fact that the final ran dry.
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Post by dtoots1 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:37 am

tiger,
i have already filled the final....so far no oil into the brake cavity...however i have NOT run the tracks so it has not sloshed the oil around it is up to the check hole but i don't know if the seal is right there or just above it and ready to catch oil on the shaft and then leak thru.
i will have to look at this very carefully. am sure when this stuff gets hotter it will thin down some...only in 60s here...and then will see it ..if i don't get it fixed!

still waiting on word from Lavoy on prices and if parts available!..for clutch assembly, gauge and seal/shaft or whatever gonna need.

then see what owner has for the monies!

thks. for all help/suggestions etc

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Post by dtoots1 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:42 am

ok guys.....just out of curiosity...if we cannot get new parts for clutch etc...what other machines would have parts to interchange with this dozer???

we got the fuel tank off some kind of backhoe --excavator type machine at the scrap yard and it fits perfectly.....dont even know if it was gas or diesel....i did not get to see the machine.....so am wondering if wheeled tractor clutch etc mite fit or diesel clutch or some other machine would fit.

anyone with any info please

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Post by dtoots1 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:53 am

so what does the seal cost between the final and steering brake/clutch cavity cost? anyone got specs on the thing? i have a local supplier that has all sorts of bearings and seals and wonder if he might be able to match it....called akron bearing here. have found all kinds there for most of the farm equipment we have around hereabouts....

what usually happens to the pinion shaft? and what all s on it....is it straight shaft with a gear fastened to it and splines...have a machine shop that has made shafts for us and mite have him look at making.
be nice if specs available

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Post by jtrichard » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:07 pm

Seal and bearings should be-able to be had from a GOOD parts or bearing house (probably less then $150) ...ALL clutch and brake parts with the exception of the throw out bearing (Ford truck) are ONLY 2010.... Brake band can be relined (about $80/100)... IF the clutches release then you should be-able to clean them up and reuse (if NO oil on them) you might have to add an extra steel to shim back to spec. if there is to much wear...... the problem with the pinon shaft is the (Hyatt style) ( look here for a pic of what they look like this is NOT the bearing it takes just the style it takes http://www.ebay.com/itm/1208TS-NEW-DEPA ... 4add50d004 ) the bearings ride right on the shaft and if that surface is bad the shaft is junk... Check out this post its a 2010 clutch rebuild http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... ight=shaft ....ALSO look here http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... c&start=45 pages 4,5 and6 its a 450 but the parts look the same they are just a little bigger it will give you an idea of what you are looking at work wise (please note the pinion bearings are NOT the same style as 2010 the 450 has Timken style bearings)
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2010 pre 42000 clutch gas dozer constant mesh tran

Post by dtoots1 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:28 pm

ok guys.....anyone out there......Lavoy is out of the clutch gauges....so anyone out there either have an extra......maybe a loaner.....i am in akron, ohio area so if anyone close by maybe we can work a loaner.

have to go down to teen. to build some kitchen cabinets for my son...problyl 3 weeks....tho think he has pc so should be able to watch the board

thanksl a bunch anyone and a lll
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