420 low oressue grease gun?
420 low oressue grease gun?
Reading my 420 manuals I see I'm supposed to use gear oil in the rolls/idler wheel and I'm supposed to use a low pressure gun. I assume this is to keep from blowing out seals. What are you guys using to do this? I have an old Alemite push type gun for the twist type fittings that a button head tip could be put on. Would that work? And is the recommendation for 90w still good?
40C, 420C, 1010C-L-BH, Cat D4
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
You are correct. I do not know the gun you mention, hopefully someone does. Most of us use JD Corn Head grease. It is as close to what is needed as you can get these days. 90w is way too thin. What you want is something that flows. Sort of. Like 300 weight. Not runny like 90 weight. Corn Head grease does flow. Sort Of. Just like the old roller lube.
The best part is Corn Head grease comes in cartridge tubes. Not five gallon pails like the old stuff. I still have quite a bit of Socony-Vacuum Gargoyle Number Five from back in The Day which I still use. It was outlawed in the 1950s due to cancer risk from the coal tar base. But, I lube rollers, not use it on ice cream.
It is the color and consistency of hot fudge. Stinks, though!
I use an old low pressure gun which has a round palm plunger to push the lube. I suppose it has a make and model on it somewhere. Not that it could be read under all that old grease and dirt it is encrusted in.
Dad also swapped out all the button fittings for zerks way back when since that gun does not have a removable end. I think it was originally meant to grease fittings on Indian motorcycles.
Stan
You are correct. I do not know the gun you mention, hopefully someone does. Most of us use JD Corn Head grease. It is as close to what is needed as you can get these days. 90w is way too thin. What you want is something that flows. Sort of. Like 300 weight. Not runny like 90 weight. Corn Head grease does flow. Sort Of. Just like the old roller lube.
The best part is Corn Head grease comes in cartridge tubes. Not five gallon pails like the old stuff. I still have quite a bit of Socony-Vacuum Gargoyle Number Five from back in The Day which I still use. It was outlawed in the 1950s due to cancer risk from the coal tar base. But, I lube rollers, not use it on ice cream.
It is the color and consistency of hot fudge. Stinks, though!I use an old low pressure gun which has a round palm plunger to push the lube. I suppose it has a make and model on it somewhere. Not that it could be read under all that old grease and dirt it is encrusted in.
Dad also swapped out all the button fittings for zerks way back when since that gun does not have a removable end. I think it was originally meant to grease fittings on Indian motorcycles.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
The low pressure guns you see advertised today are nothing like the gun in question. Best bet is a pistol grip gun now, easier to feel the resistance. Use Corn Head grease, not gear lube.
Lavoy
Lavoy
Parts and restoration for antique and late model John Deere crawlers.
Owner and moderator www.jdcrawlers.com
Owner and moderator www.jdcrawlers.com
Thanks guys. I have another gun I think will work fine that I just "rediscovered".
BTW- took the 420 out in the woods yesterday. Wow! It's so nice being able to go without worrying about a track dropping or something just busting, and not is 1st gear either. I have some repairs to make, but the machine is an answer to my prayers!
BTW- took the 420 out in the woods yesterday. Wow! It's so nice being able to go without worrying about a track dropping or something just busting, and not is 1st gear either. I have some repairs to make, but the machine is an answer to my prayers!
40C, 420C, 1010C-L-BH, Cat D4
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
Yup! Remember: Socony *is* Standard! As was printed on the Mobil gas station maps.
For those that don't follow, there was once upon a time the Big Oil company: Standard. They had many irons in the fire. Then the Feds busted them up. Esso, Amoco, Marathon, Sohio, Chevron, etc. And, Socony and Vacuum Oil companies.
Vacuum was named because they used a vacuum distillation method to produce specialized lubricants, sold under the Gargolye brand name. Socony's fuel brand was called Mobil.
Note that most of the split-up Standard Oil has coalesced back together as Exxon-Mobil, including what was Vacuum Oil. By the end of WWII, Socony and Vacuum had already re-merged. Hence the name on my can.
This whole forced split-up and gradual recombination would repeat itself in the Telecom world. The Bell System split and recombined under what was the name of a piece: AT+T.....
Anyway, Vacuum Oil made some wonderful lubricants which are unrivaled even today. The recipies either banned due to the chemicals used, or just plain lost over the years.
Kendall made some great stuff, too. Some survived as the Brad-Penn name (Kendall's plant was in Bradford, PA). Most were lost during the time Kendall was out of business before being resurrected as Brad-Penn.
Fortunately, I still some of the old stuff around since we had a surplus when my uncle got out of the equipment business in the early 1980s.
Stan
Yup! Remember: Socony *is* Standard! As was printed on the Mobil gas station maps.
For those that don't follow, there was once upon a time the Big Oil company: Standard. They had many irons in the fire. Then the Feds busted them up. Esso, Amoco, Marathon, Sohio, Chevron, etc. And, Socony and Vacuum Oil companies.
Vacuum was named because they used a vacuum distillation method to produce specialized lubricants, sold under the Gargolye brand name. Socony's fuel brand was called Mobil.
Note that most of the split-up Standard Oil has coalesced back together as Exxon-Mobil, including what was Vacuum Oil. By the end of WWII, Socony and Vacuum had already re-merged. Hence the name on my can.
This whole forced split-up and gradual recombination would repeat itself in the Telecom world. The Bell System split and recombined under what was the name of a piece: AT+T.....
Anyway, Vacuum Oil made some wonderful lubricants which are unrivaled even today. The recipies either banned due to the chemicals used, or just plain lost over the years.
Kendall made some great stuff, too. Some survived as the Brad-Penn name (Kendall's plant was in Bradford, PA). Most were lost during the time Kendall was out of business before being resurrected as Brad-Penn.
Fortunately, I still some of the old stuff around since we had a surplus when my uncle got out of the equipment business in the early 1980s.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
The big ones like that I always called a "Lubester", you see them at auction sales from time to time. I think they will bring a 100 dollar bill or more depending on who is there.
Lavoy
Lavoy
Parts and restoration for antique and late model John Deere crawlers.
Owner and moderator www.jdcrawlers.com
Owner and moderator www.jdcrawlers.com
Ya know, I have a bulk grease pump for filling guns. Got it after buying a couple of 5 gallon cans at auction. I wonder if that would work? I also have not one, but two old style grease pump guns One is the aforementioned push type and I also have an old screw type, both courtesy of my FIL who never threw anything away. I'd been keeping them along with all the other ancient "old tech" I have in my shop.
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
Our local farm store, Agri Supply, has the pail grease gun for $150. That is a high pressure pistol grip type. They also have a lube pump for a pail for $50. That is a low pressure type.
Now, the end of the lube pump hose is open, but I could see modifying it to take a grease gun flex hose with button end. That would pump the original roller lube for sure. And, I bet it would manage to pump corn head grease, even though it is thicker than the roller lube (which was akin to molasses).
Now, is the corn head grease available in pails? I have only seen it in gun cartridge tubes. I have not been to an oil company with a warehouse full of lubricants in years. I bet there is something available.
Of course, I am going to stick with my straight-shaft palm-plunger low pressure gun. The only issue with it is it is not sized to take the carts, and so must be loaded manually....
Stan
Our local farm store, Agri Supply, has the pail grease gun for $150. That is a high pressure pistol grip type. They also have a lube pump for a pail for $50. That is a low pressure type.
Now, the end of the lube pump hose is open, but I could see modifying it to take a grease gun flex hose with button end. That would pump the original roller lube for sure. And, I bet it would manage to pump corn head grease, even though it is thicker than the roller lube (which was akin to molasses).
Now, is the corn head grease available in pails? I have only seen it in gun cartridge tubes. I have not been to an oil company with a warehouse full of lubricants in years. I bet there is something available.
Of course, I am going to stick with my straight-shaft palm-plunger low pressure gun. The only issue with it is it is not sized to take the carts, and so must be loaded manually....
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Here is the type of gun that came with a most JD crawlers for lubing the rollers ....2010 calls for SAE140 this pumps it great http://www.finditparts.com/t/4003/manuf ... emite-4035 (i have one love it you can feel when the rollers are full and not blow the seals) it should also pump corn head i have never tried it though 
2010 with 622 dozer with mod. 35 ripper and a 2010 with 622 dozer bought in 1969 and a 2010 loader with drott and mod. 36 ripper
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