Identifying a crawler

RHS · Post by **RHS** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:15 am

Hello all,
my name is Robert Stoll and I live in Portugal (Southern Europe). I educate horses on a kind of farm and for the ocasional remodelling of the latter I acquired a John Deere loader without any kind of documentation.
About the model, I'm less sure the more I read about it.
It's a four cilindre diesel and a tag just in front of the driver says "810-820", Serial nr 3218. I understand it must be either a 1010 or a 2010. Front wheels are massive, not spokes. Air filter is on the right side, poking through the elevator frame right in front of the driver. On the left side it has a dynamo, not a alternator (meaning it gives DC, not AC). It has a handle to go forward backward (reversor?), but also a gearbox position for going backwards. If the serial number of the beast itself - not the loader - is on the right front of the engine I'll have to remove the injection pump to have a look at it.

After identifying what I've got, the first thing I'll need is a manual. For instance, the oil of the gearbox is low and I have not idea what kind of oil should go into it, or how much. Also, under load (pulling, not carrying) I can't make a right turn, the thing just stops. Question of adjustment of the left clutch or must something be replaced? Another problem is that it tends to loose its tracks, although they are pretty tense, and I can't stick them more because the thread (no hydraulics) are rotten.

Thanks for any clues
Robert

Bret4207 · Post by **Bret4207** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:32 am

never mind, misunderstood post.

Stan Disbrow · Post by **Stan Disbrow** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:49 am

Hi,

Well, the 4 cylinder engine makes me think 1010, but the threaded idler adjustment makes me think 420/440.

On top of that, my recollection is Deere used some EU engines in the 420/440 series made in Mannheim. Deutz, I think. And, they were 4 cyl diesels.

Sounds like you have a very worn out undercarriage and will be having to replace everything.

Stan

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:55 am

The more you describe the more I am confused. The solid front idlers were standard for a 2010 but I believe were also an option for a 1010. The mechanical track adjusters (threaded) could be standard to a 1010 or earlier but not a 2010. The shifter you describe on the floor sounds like a HLR (does it say H-L-N-R)? That was on a 2010, and HLRs also had gear shift on the right dash. 1010s have a reverser but would not say H-L-N-R.

If a 1010 or early 2010, the model/serial number plate would normally be on a flat spot on the right side engine block just right of the injection pump; for a late 2010 it should be on the left side bellhousing. The plate on the pump is for the pump.

Can you read a parts number off of the sprockets? That would give us some clue.

Like Stan mentions, the 440s had some parts similarities/compatabilities with the 1010s so some parts may have been interchanged. You shouldn't have to make the tracks tight-they are supposed to have some minimal sag. It may be your bottom roller flanges of front idler flanges are gone or other issue like misalignment that is causing derailment.

It does sound like there is an issue with your left steering clutch slipping- it may be adjustment but could also be worn out or oil discs or other damage.

I don't want to speculate on oils until we know what you have.

of course the European models are a bit different so everything I have said may not exactly track with those, especially if you have a "Frankenstein" machine (cobbled parts from 440s/1010s/2010s). Like Stan said maybe it is a 420 but seems like you wouldn't have that loader model if it were.

Can you post some photos? Instructions are in the "Messageboard and Q&A" forum.

RHS · Post by **RHS** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:11 pm

First some pics:

Tigerhaze wrote:.... The shifter you describe on the floor sounds like a HLR (does it say H-L-N-R)?

Not on the floor; it's the thing on the left of the dashboard. No indication whatsoever. There's something flat on the floor, though, with a spare portion out of the plate to remove that, but I can't move it.

Hope this gives some clues

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:13 pm

1010 diesel, lever on LH side of dash is reverser, shifter on dash indicates serial number under about 21,000, hope this helps.
Lavoy

Stan Disbrow · Post by **Stan Disbrow** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:48 pm

Hi,

Ah. Pics worth so much! Glad it is a 1010 and not some odd mix of stuff as I originally feared.

Stan

RHS · Post by **RHS** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:50 am

Lavoy wrote:1010 diesel, lever on LH side of dash is reverser,

Yes, it is, but what's this thing on the floor, under the left steering lever?

, hope this helps.
Lavoy

It certaily does, since I can now go hunting for a manual to do at least the very basic adjustments like steering clutches and footbreak, and to verify the right kind of oil for the gearbox.

Thanks a lot.
Robert

gregjo1948 · Post by **gregjo1948** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:42 am

If it has 4 cylinders, it's most likely 1010 or 2010. 4 cylinders: not 2 or 3. Lever under left steer lever is pto engagement. gregjo1948

Stan Disbrow · Post by **Stan Disbrow** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:42 am

RHS wrote:
Yes, it is, but what's this thing on the floor, under the left steering lever?

It certaily does, since I can now go hunting for a manual to do at least the very basic adjustments like steering clutches and footbreak, and to verify the right kind of oil for the gearbox.

Thanks a lot.
Robert

Hi,

PTO in/out lever.

Stan

RHS · Post by **RHS** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:10 pm

[quote="Stan Disbrow"][quote="RHS"]

... what's this thing on the floor, under the left steering lever?
Robert[/quote]

PTO in/out lever.

Stan[/quote]

Thanks. Pity it hasn't got one.
Robert

Stan Disbrow · Post by **Stan Disbrow** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:22 pm

Hi,

It doesn't have the splined shaft part, but it has the inner drive. The splined output shaft was an option which just bolts onto the rear (where a flat cover is).

I don't think one would even be clear of the counterweights. And, what could you hook up with the weights in the way if it did?

Stan

RHS · Post by **RHS** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:31 pm

Stan Disbrow wrote:Hi,

It doesn't have the splined shaft part, but it has the inner drive. The splined output shaft was an option which just bolts onto the rear (where a flat cover is).

I don't think one would even be clear of the counterweights. And, what could you hook up with the weights in the way if it did?

Stan

OK; thanks. The whole back part construction with the counterweight needs revision or rather redesigning. What I'd wish to mount is a winch for logging trees and the ocasional dredging of stuck vehicles, especially my own. Maybe a hydraulic one would be better but they're quite expensive over here.

Now I removed the seat and opened up what was under it:

The adjustment thingies were both loose, leaving hope that readjustment may suffice. Question: what should be turned in which direction to obtain said adjustment?
Thanks
Robert

pop pop · Post by **pop pop** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:43 am

you might try taking the cover off the other side final drive housing and compare the linkage adjustments just to give you some idea's.

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