motor oil
motor oil
I own 3 tractors, 1977 IH 140, JD 420C and JD 50T and I have always used Valvoline 30W non detergent motor oil in them. I bought the 140 new and I have had the JD's about the same amount of time. 30W ND is getting hard to find. I remember in the 1960's people went from ND to Detergent and their engines started using oil. Have any of y'all ever went from ND to D and experienced this? None of the 3 use any oil and all three start well, the 2 JD's start in about a half turn.
Thanx for any comments!!
Thanx for any comments!!
Re: motor oil
This may help but, I have never used ND oil before because the new oils are what I think you would call a better grade oil, because of the detergents and additives, but I have been running 10w-30 full synthetic oil for years now with no issues and no oil consumption at all.
1956 JD420, gearmatic 8a winch, custom 6 way blade and FOPS.
- Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
Well, all these years you really wanted detergent in your oil. It keeps the byproducts of combustion in suspension so that the larger particles get trapped in the filter and the smaller will drain out with the oil.
Without the detergent, the particles will collect in the nooks and crannies inside the engine and stay put. Adding detergent now is likely to pick this collected crud up and dirty the oil up in only a few hours of running. You will likely be changing oil and filters all the time.
Non D oil is meant for splash oil engines where the splashing is likely to foam up and cause other problems. Engines without oil pumps and filters.
If it were me, I would keep on using ND until such time as I rebuilt those engines and had a chance to clean out the stuff the ND oil left in there.
I don't know why you are having trouble finding 30ND oil. I see it in all the farm supply stores around.
Stan
Well, all these years you really wanted detergent in your oil. It keeps the byproducts of combustion in suspension so that the larger particles get trapped in the filter and the smaller will drain out with the oil.
Without the detergent, the particles will collect in the nooks and crannies inside the engine and stay put. Adding detergent now is likely to pick this collected crud up and dirty the oil up in only a few hours of running. You will likely be changing oil and filters all the time.
Non D oil is meant for splash oil engines where the splashing is likely to foam up and cause other problems. Engines without oil pumps and filters.
If it were me, I would keep on using ND until such time as I rebuilt those engines and had a chance to clean out the stuff the ND oil left in there.
I don't know why you are having trouble finding 30ND oil. I see it in all the farm supply stores around.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Detergent in oil. Reminds me of a funny story from my childhood. A buddy of mines Camaro had internally broken shift linkage on a turbo 350 tranny. He dropped the pan (draining 99.9% of the ATF) and was about to tack it fast with a stick welder, when he asked me "Do you think it will catch fire?" I had no idea ATF was even remotely flammable, so I quickly replied "No, this new oil has detergent in it!" Well it lit up at first arc, quickly extinguished it with a rag, and went drag racing that same evening. That was 20 years ago and we still rib each other about it from time to time. Damn detergent was flammable.
Yea, tranny fluid burns pretty well. I know most hydraulic oils are non-detergent to prevent the condensate in the system from mixing with the oil and causing regulator problems. years ago my uncle had me to weld on a lawn mower deck and it was magnesium it caught a fire and he threw it in the creek and it kept on burning, been around 50 years now and still at family reunion's someone brings it up. Experience always gives the test first and the lesson afterwards.
- Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
Oh, yeah! Magnesium burns so hot, it snaps the bond between the hydrogen and oxygen in water. Then, it uses up the oxygen and lets the hot hydrogen loose to eventually mix with oxygen in the air.
If you had done so at night, you would have seen a pale blue flame above the water from the secondary H2 fire.
We used to carry large Class D fire extinguishers on our fire trucks just for magnesium fires. They were once very common. VW pancake engines. The D extinguishers fire a cloud of graphite dust which melts into a coating to cut the O2 off.
Stan
Oh, yeah! Magnesium burns so hot, it snaps the bond between the hydrogen and oxygen in water. Then, it uses up the oxygen and lets the hot hydrogen loose to eventually mix with oxygen in the air.
If you had done so at night, you would have seen a pale blue flame above the water from the secondary H2 fire.
We used to carry large Class D fire extinguishers on our fire trucks just for magnesium fires. They were once very common. VW pancake engines. The D extinguishers fire a cloud of graphite dust which melts into a coating to cut the O2 off.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
- Paul Buhler
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Dan: Tractor Supply has 20w nd as well.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produc ... _vc=-10005
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produc ... _vc=-10005
Paul Buhler
Killington, VT
420c 5 roll with 62 blade, FOPS, and Gearmatic 8a winch
Killington, VT
420c 5 roll with 62 blade, FOPS, and Gearmatic 8a winch
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