So we have established that my crawler is a 350aa and I am questioning which US crawler it relates to.
I read somewhere that the 350B has the hydro disconnect lever and and underhood air cleaner. Mine has both. Before I pay $150 for the wrong manual, can anyone help to determine if it is related to a 350 or a 350B?
What else can I look for to be sure?
Identifying my crawler (import 350)
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NickMartin
- 420 crawler
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Hi Nick-
Usually a "A" model would be similar to a straight model (i.e. meaning a straight 350 rather than a 350B). However if you read the discussion in the FAQs about serial numbers, oftentimes there were running changes at the factory as parts were depleted and new ones were rolled out so there are no hard or fast rules on that- we have that somewhat figured out for domestic models though not completely and that would be even more questionable for "grey market" machines.
One part I mentioned looking into was the steering clutch housings- have you looked at that yet?
Usually a "A" model would be similar to a straight model (i.e. meaning a straight 350 rather than a 350B). However if you read the discussion in the FAQs about serial numbers, oftentimes there were running changes at the factory as parts were depleted and new ones were rolled out so there are no hard or fast rules on that- we have that somewhat figured out for domestic models though not completely and that would be even more questionable for "grey market" machines.
One part I mentioned looking into was the steering clutch housings- have you looked at that yet?
(1) JD Straight 450 crawler dozer with manual outside blade; (2) JD 2010 diesel crawler loaders; (1) JD 2010 diesel dozer with hydraulic 6-way blade; (2) Model 50 backhoe attachments, misc. other construction equipment
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
It was common for running changes to be documented in service bulletins and those are not in the manuals. They wind up covered in the next series manual. So, having to have multiple manuals to cover what one has is fairly common.
On my 1958 420C-III I need four service manuals to cover it: M, 40, 420 and 430. My parts manual is 1962, so it covers the 440 as well. Lots of things in all five manuals do not represent what I have, so I get to pick out the proper bits every time I have to reach for the bookshelf. Oh. And, the mod 62 blade is not covered at all. I need a sixth book just for that.
I would say to get the Straight 350 manual first, then go thru it looking over the machine and see what does not match up. Then, if it seems as if there is a lot that does not line up, get the B series manual as well.
Now, a problem is going to be the EU nature of your machine. Some things won't be covered in either manual.....
Stan
It was common for running changes to be documented in service bulletins and those are not in the manuals. They wind up covered in the next series manual. So, having to have multiple manuals to cover what one has is fairly common.
On my 1958 420C-III I need four service manuals to cover it: M, 40, 420 and 430. My parts manual is 1962, so it covers the 440 as well. Lots of things in all five manuals do not represent what I have, so I get to pick out the proper bits every time I have to reach for the bookshelf. Oh. And, the mod 62 blade is not covered at all. I need a sixth book just for that.
I would say to get the Straight 350 manual first, then go thru it looking over the machine and see what does not match up. Then, if it seems as if there is a lot that does not line up, get the B series manual as well.
Now, a problem is going to be the EU nature of your machine. Some things won't be covered in either manual.....
Stan
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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
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NickMartin
- 420 crawler
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Hi Nick- First of all I can't see photos at work since my work internet blocks them In any case I am not sure if there is much of a visual difference since the part diagrams don't look all that different on the outside housing. However the part numbers for the right and left steering clutch housings on a straight 350 are AT18558/AT18559 (the notes say it will be marked on the parts as T20814/T20815). The part numbers for the right and left steering clutch housings on a 350B are the same, but the notes say they will be marked on the parts as T20854/T20855).
This is just one of probably several examples of differences that may exist if you compare the parts lists for the 350 and 350B side by side. I don't own either so may not be correct on all aspects of this but on my 2010 (which has early and late parts differences), it worked out to narrow the serial number range. You can take a look yourself here (you will want to search for 350 and 350B in the top left model number search, and look for the crawler tractor manuals).
http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com. ... ervlet_Alt
This is just one of probably several examples of differences that may exist if you compare the parts lists for the 350 and 350B side by side. I don't own either so may not be correct on all aspects of this but on my 2010 (which has early and late parts differences), it worked out to narrow the serial number range. You can take a look yourself here (you will want to search for 350 and 350B in the top left model number search, and look for the crawler tractor manuals).
http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com. ... ervlet_Alt
(1) JD Straight 450 crawler dozer with manual outside blade; (2) JD 2010 diesel crawler loaders; (1) JD 2010 diesel dozer with hydraulic 6-way blade; (2) Model 50 backhoe attachments, misc. other construction equipment
I have also found out that the final drive housing is different between the two.
Parts number for the straight 350 (early serial number range up to SN 20538) is T20871. It does say it could be subbed with T24866, T24865, and T24864. For the later range straight 350 SN (above 20538)and all of the 350B it is T24859.
To be honest it may be easier to find the part numbers on them rather than on the steering clutch housings since they are so buried.
Parts number for the straight 350 (early serial number range up to SN 20538) is T20871. It does say it could be subbed with T24866, T24865, and T24864. For the later range straight 350 SN (above 20538)and all of the 350B it is T24859.
To be honest it may be easier to find the part numbers on them rather than on the steering clutch housings since they are so buried.
(1) JD Straight 450 crawler dozer with manual outside blade; (2) JD 2010 diesel crawler loaders; (1) JD 2010 diesel dozer with hydraulic 6-way blade; (2) Model 50 backhoe attachments, misc. other construction equipment
Hi Nick,
I have 2 JD350s now, 1965 and 1968, and 2 service manuals, both SM-2063, and they contain pages published all the way from 1966 to 1974, which I believe takes you well into the B series. I'm relatively new at collecting JD equipment, but I'm up to 4 now.
In my layman's opinion, I would say the SM-2063 manual will probably cover off most of your needs, or be so close that you will be able to figure out whatever you need.
Good luck!
I have 2 JD350s now, 1965 and 1968, and 2 service manuals, both SM-2063, and they contain pages published all the way from 1966 to 1974, which I believe takes you well into the B series. I'm relatively new at collecting JD equipment, but I'm up to 4 now.
In my layman's opinion, I would say the SM-2063 manual will probably cover off most of your needs, or be so close that you will be able to figure out whatever you need.
Good luck!
1952 MC
1965 JD350 outside blade
1968 JD350 Drott 4 in 1
1981 JD450C with 6 way blade and ripper
1965ish 710 green tractor
1978 212 garden tractor
2003 F525 circus mower
1965 JD350 outside blade
1968 JD350 Drott 4 in 1
1981 JD450C with 6 way blade and ripper
1965ish 710 green tractor
1978 212 garden tractor
2003 F525 circus mower
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NickMartin
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