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350B reverser

Post by gregjo1948 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:55 am

Did any 350B models have the reverser control lever on the dash or were they all on the left fender battery box?
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:24 pm

Hi,

I think the dash lever moved to the fender during late Straight 350 production.

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Re: 350B reverser

Post by gregjo1948 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:16 am

Stan Disbrow wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:24 pm
Hi,

I think the dash lever moved to the fender during late Straight 350 production.

Stan
Thanks Stan. I found an ad on Craigslist for a 350B with the reverser lever on the dash. The 350B decals on the" fenders"
look original. I don't care much about the year of a machine but, in this case, I really like the reverser lever on the left
"fender".(battery box) Did someone add the B to this 350????????
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:32 am

Hi,

The only way to know for sure is by the serial number. Things get redecaled all the time.

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Re: 350B reverser

Post by amos » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:38 am

Stan Disbrow wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:32 am
Hi,

The only way to know for sure is by the serial number. Things get redecaled all the time.

Stan
Local craigslist has a 450C in shreveport LA that is sure looking like a straight 450 or very early 450B. No HLR on it. As Stan says only sure way is seriel number (if there),then mechanical layout.
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:29 am

Hi,

The 'C' decal sets are easier to come by than the earlier ones, so that probably explains most of the wrong decals. Nice new paint requires nice new decals.

Then, too, a few will be wrong because some folks are a bit shady.....

Stan
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by gregjo1948 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:26 am

It doesn't matter much to me if it's a 350 or 350B, as long as it's priced right for the condition.
I have one of each already but, I do prefer the 350B reverser lever location.
I do need to figure out why the reverser, in the 350, doesn't work in reverse after
the machine gets warmed up to working temp.
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by pondhogvt » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 pm

A couple of points to this conversation and try not to get off topic.
Amos, all 450JD have HLR, ALL of them, the 450 and early 450B's the HLR shifter was between your legs, the later 450B's and everything after went to the battery box side HLR shifter.

Stan is correct only way to tell is serial number, but lately I have met up with a surprising number of machines with no tag,, it's missing.. well my 450 has logged for thirty years and been beat to death,, maintained but had a rough life, trees, limbs and stump roots and I never lost my tag,, so I assume a machine has a suspect past when the tag is missing.. some machines have the serial number stamped into the right rear side of the tranny.. back where a winch mounts but not all as I have looked... I read that fact here on JDCrawlers,, and I looked and could not find it but my most recent dozer does have the tag and out of sheer curiosity I looked at the back of the tranny and it was stamped into the case,,, as with all things JD who knows when this started or even if it continued..
and as Stan has said they get mis-decaled.. A guy called me to sell his 350C dozer two days ago with blown motor,, I asked some questions that didn't add up quite right.. so he said I pulled the covers over the steering clutches and they were full of oil so it is a wet clutch machine 350C. I said 350C's don't have covers over the steering clutches unless you pull off the fuel tank and take the whole top off.. I asked for a picture under the seat and confirmed it was a dry clutch machine,,but it was full of oil,, I don't think the guy was dishonest in this case I think he got scammed and believed he had a C model..

so Gregio,, lack of reverse in clutch pack,,, several possibilities here... very few are easy.. machine will not reverse when hot because lack of oil pressure,, easiest and luckiest,, three tubes going out of the reverser regulator control on side of reverser into the center of reverser to a manifold in center of reverser clutch pack,, each tube has an o-ring,, if o-ring has gotten hot and even through all these years the o-ring gets brittle,, they crack and leak and sometimes they completely disentigrate,, loss of pressure.. main pump weak= loss of pressure, but you say it still goes forward when hot? next would be the seals in the manifold in the center of the clutch pack, heat&time wears them down, they get thin and leak or brittle and crack..
and then there is the possibility that the reverse clutches are worn and slipping which causes a lot of heat.

I have read a lot of posts on here about fixing in the machine,, I have not had that luck.. in the long run for me I save way more time by just pulling the reverser out and rebuilding it where I can work on it.. first I would put a gauge on the reverser to check the pump pressure at point of slipping then go to forward gear and check pressure again.. see what it says.. best regards Mark.
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by Stan Disbrow » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:11 am

Hi,

I also suspect something amiss with the history of a machine if the serial number tag is missing. They are very difficult to remove by accident and easy to remove on purpose.....

There was an outfit here in NC got nabbed for selling machines with no tags and reporting some of those as stolen. See, they were able to buy new machines for less out of pocket that way. Until they did it a little too often and the insurance company got to investigating.

On the B with C decals and oily clutches, it may have been a case of someone adding the oil (as opposed to a leak) because it says C and a C has oil in there, right?

That as opposed to a deliberate adding of oil by the seller who painted it and used C decals. I have seen that before. A friend bought a 350B with new C decals and bought a C manual and read it needed oil in there.....

Of course it quit steering and he asked me what might be wrong. I went and looked at what was a beat up B with a 'rebuild in a can' and 90wt in both clutch housings. Fortunately, he had a workshop and obtained the correct manual and....did a lot of work. He also had to buy all new u/c as it was so worn out. Might as well since it all has to come apart anyway.

I refer to the incident, when we talk about it, as Crawler College. ;)

Stan
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by amos » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:30 am

Morning Stan,
Anytime I look at a piece of equipment with new paint I go into hyper-vigilant mode especially if the seller is a private party and any other equipment there is looking like it's been rode hard and put up wet.
Conversely if I'm selling something I rarely paint it(has been a few exceptions) and new paint or not I make a point of going over the machine in great detail including what I think will need attention sooner or later down the road.
The 450C I sold a few months ago I did paint and the potential buyer was being very timid during test operation. I asked him to let me in the seat,told him to step back and then operated it like a mad-man:hard left and right turns,slamming through the gears,etc just so he could see that it wouldn't fall apart.
Man paid cash and never called back with a single complaint.
Another poster said all early 450 series had the HLR set-up: being that you are Stan the Dozer Man is that correct? I was looking at a video of a straight 450 and I swear it sure looked like the operator clutched it and reached between his legs to shift when reversing.
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by JWB Contracting » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:51 am

All straight 450’s have a floor mount shifter, almost all are the normal shift under power HLR. There are some that came with a standard shift HLR, only seen one and its in our shed.

On the last straight 450 Dozer we fixed, we installed the newer style shifter on the battery box as they are much nicer to run. Same as I would do to a straight 350 with a dash mount reverser shifter.
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Re: 350B reverser

Post by Stan Disbrow » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:05 am

Hi,

Additionally, the straight 350 was available without a reverser and so had an engine clutch and one used the floor shift for reverse. Reverse and second are sync'd so it slips from 2 to R and back easily. My old 68 350 was this way and, honestly, I rarely wished it had a reverser. Now, the older 420 with that trans is somewhat of a PIA to shift into R and back and so I am really happy to have a reverser on that one.

Stan
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Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside manual blade
Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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