JD 450 in Sweden

[digitup]

The 4- 202 was different in the stroke and didn't start in the winter that great. As for the kits that didn't start nice in the cold .I think they just pond them off on the southerners .But when I priced the kit I made sure that it was the one I get for them before. The parts guy even looked into it and he told me that is all he orders any more because of a few complaints .That is a 4-219 kit specific to the 450B dozers not the agricultural build .If you have that pump than check to see if the motor is even stock just in case some one shoehorned something into that Deere,Stranger things have happened I guess.If it is a 4- 202 it should be a 450 by the book .Are both shifters on the left side .If it was a 450 the gear shift is on the floor between your legs .The SNE7450001041U on the dash is an up date kit # see if someone took a drill to your power shift unit and installed a neuteral notch in the cast housing .All machines with that upgrade got a sticker on the dash or the serial number plate area .Digitup.

[D557017]

Hello, i was told by a spare parts guy that there are two kinds of cylinder sleeves for these machines, one with o-ring grooves on them and one with the grooves in the block.
I dont know if this is true, but i borrowed a sleeve puller and drove to Ransäter where the machine is and took them out.
Trere were two o-rings in grooves in the block, and one o-ring on the sleeve, not in a groove though.

I also measured from the rod tappets on the crankshaft on both TDC and BDC to the deck of the block with a ruler to determine the stroke of the engine. Not wery accurate i know, but it was the best i could do at the time. Anyway, i got 109 millimeters, wich would make this engine 200,8 cui. Given the inprecise stroke measurment, the engine must be a 202cui.

Taking another look at the serial number below the driver seat, i think it starts with SNT and not SNI, i apologize for this, but the plate is worn and hard to read.
The serial number would then be: SNT5E3M013505T

Another thing i have been told is that you must never reuse the rod bolts in these engines, is that true?

Digitup, there is a gearshifter between the legs of the driver, and as the engine apears to be 202cui it must be a 450A right?

Best regards Ulf

[digitup]

That sounds better the serial #is right 13505T it is a 1965 unit . My parts man says that the sleeves are the difference for good winter starting .I am going to ask more questions .Check the balancer crank berrings see if there is much movement up and down on the balancer shaft .Those bearings may need to be replaced.New rod bolts are a must on these motors YES .The sleeve gaskets react to oil and water so keep these clean and away from both till you install.Digitup.

[D557017]

Hello, this machine is ageing fast, you are sure it`s made in 1965?

Different sleeves to make the machine start better? i do not understand, please explain.

Digitup, thank you for all help so far.

Ulf

[D557017]

Another question, does anyone know if the engine in this 450 could be the same as some JD farm tractor?
The thing is that i found that 3120 and 2020 have the same bore as the 450, maybe at least the sleeve kit could be the same?

Ulf

[digitup]

Yes those motors are very close to the same .But remember that your tractors are all Mannheim German build in that motor size .And that engine was just slightly different than the American build .Deere sold the Mannheim tractors here in Canada for years as well .Thinking that they were just as good .We didn't get the small American build tractors till into the mid to late eighty's also in Germany they were not the best sellers either . This is why Deere didn't have as good a name outside USA .Here in Canada we could never figure out why John Deere would not keep Americans busier making small tractors for the Canadian market .Being this close to USA and not getting the American version of the small tractors .John Deere lost a lot of sales for many years .In the late eighty's we started to get them from the south and these tractors were as good as the big ones . So we have the Mannheim engines as well in this area .This is always why I have to specify 450 Dozer build only in my parts ordering .9 times out of 10 we will get Mannheim kits for a 4- 202 . And as rare as that 450 is in your neck of the woods you will have to order the American build 4-202 kit .Take my word for it .and yes it is a 1965 build the first full year of manufacturing this machine.Somebody imported this unit in 65 with hopes that it was better than the 510 and 710 farm tractors that were made at that time not the greatest of tractors ever made by John Deere . Germany was not a great fan of John Deere for years .But they wont admit to this .My cousins had a John Deere dealership in Kansas and when they came to visit they could not believe that John Deere was the second rate small tractor up here and all these odd numbers 1820-1830 2120-2130-3130 all Mannheim build and on this side of the big Atlantic pond .Digitup.

[D557017]

Hello, ok so they wont fit?
It was just that parts for these farm tractors are available here, no problems, while parts for a 450 crawler are as we say sällsynta som hönständer (rare as chickenteeth)
What about a kit for a 2510?

Ulf

[digitup]

Not saying they wont fit but look real close the sleeves are a bit different .My man of Deere says the Mannheim sleeve seals are different and head gasket is different as well .He says ask your local Deere dealer or better still go to the shop and ask a head mechanic about this . Ask some one that gets there hands dirty even ask if they imported any 4-202 American build in any self powered units .All questions are free in a John Deere shop and no question about Deeres can be stupid . I looked up Sunne and Ransater on Google Earth tonight .Are those long narrow lakes or a wide river both ways of your town .I see that Ransater is south east of you there .Looks like a drive just to get to this machine .Take a sleeve in and compare if they have one .Where would your closest J.D.dealer be ULF .Digitup.

[D557017]

Hello, what you see on the map is a long lake called Fryken wich consists of an upper middle and lower part. Sunne is located between upper and middle Fryken. Sunne is accent for sund = strait or sound.
My closest JD dealers are in Årjäng and Karlstad. I have phoned Årjäng but they could not help me (or maybe the didn`t want to)
I haven`t tried Karlstad, but it`s the same company as in Årjäng.
I have also phoned a good deal of other tractor parts places here in Sweden with no luck, so i still don`t know where and how to get parts.

Searching on the internet i have found parts in the USA and Canada wich are for T32342 block 202cui, sleeve and piston kits costs about 480-500 dollars but it usually says they are for 3120 or sometimes 2510, never for 450, but maybe i am looking in the wrong places? or maybe they will fit this machine?

Is the 2510 also made in Mannheim?

Ulf

[JD430C]

2510s were made in the US, so if they have the 202 it should be the same. i will ask a friend tomorrow to make sure it is. the 202 was used in several US models. the ones i know used it are the 2020, 450, 480 forklift. i believe the 2510 and the early 440 skidders used it as well.

andrew

[D557017]

Andrew, you are saying that the 2020 farm tractors where made in the USA and not in Mannheim Germany ?

Ulf

[JD430C]

Ulf, maybe someone else can chime in here, but i believe 2020s were only made in the US. check out my thread, European 450 and let me know if your 450 looks like mine.

andrew

[D557017]

Andrew, the back of your machine, especially the driver seat area does not look like the machine i am working on.

Ulf

[JD430C]

Ulf, ok sounds like u have a US made 450, cause mine is German made.

andrew

[D557017]

Where you able to confirm this through the serial number or some other way?

Ulf