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Stan Disbrow
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:26 am

Hi,

Lord help us all in this hijacked thread! I will mention, but not explain, for us over 50 electrical folks, about the rhyme we were taught to remember the resistor color code. It is no longer politically correct.....

Ohm's law is simple. One amp of current will flow at one volt through one ohm of resistance. And, one watt of power, which is voltage multiplied by current.

How about the old AC vs DC example of ping pong balls thru a pipe? Fill the pipe with balls to represent the electrons in the wire. Stuff in another ball, one pops out the other end. Repeat. This is DC. All the electrons have to move the one way. Now, push in one extra ball until the one at the other end almost falls out, then push it backwards. Back and forth. This is AC.

Note, though that the stopping and starting of the electrons means a loss of power for AC given the same voltage and current. The factor is 70.7 percent, and is called RMS, which we sometimes see mentioned. Most often with audio power amplifiers, oddly enough.

Now, to re-track the thread somewhat.

Now, when we move electrons thru a wire, there is a magnetic field produced. Which is why there are field coils in generators and alternators. The regulator pushes more or less into the field coils as it sees the need for more or less output from the generator.

An AC field is better than a DC field when it comes to this, which is why alternators put out more amps from a smaller unit than a generator. :)

Stan
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:37 am

Hi,

While I am on Ohm's Law, I ought to mention power loss thru wiring. This the the *square* of the current multiplied by the voltage. Normally called I squared R.

This comes into play for us mainly with the main battery cables. It is why a 6v needs a much fatter cable than 12v. The starter power has to be the same for a given engine, but 6v needs twice the current as 12v so the loss is 4x so the cable must be larger to lower the resistance.

This also explains why 24v showed up on some machines. Like the 4010 and 4020. On those it gets really complicated. They used two 12v batteries and a 24v starter but the rest of the stuff was 12v. So, they used big relays (called contactors) to series the batteries for starting and then switch the batteries back to parallel after the key was released.

That system worked well only to just after the warranty expired. Then they either didn't switch to 24v and you couldn't start the machine. Or, they stayed in 24v and fried everything else. So, they changed to where everything was 24v.

Later on, they switched to gear reduction starters and went back to 12v everything.

Stan
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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (5045D), 2025 3025E

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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:41 am

Hi,

I just realized it is April First. So, no one will look back on anything posted today and believe a word of it! :P

Stan
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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (5045D), 2025 3025E

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Post by notmeu » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:12 am

Stan, great job on the electrical lesson for today! You should write a book... Wait a minute you did, all in one thread! :lol: :D :lol: :D
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