350C Loader: do I need a counterweight?

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350C Loader: do I need a counterweight?

Post by jeepglenn » Mon May 04, 2015 9:13 am

Hello, I have a 350C with a 9550 back hoe. I will be taking off the hoe to do some dirt work and my question is do I need a counterweight to keep machine stable? I do not want to plant it on it's nose. I have a 4 in one Drott bucket on front.

I am sure there are a lot of people who have done this and i am interested in your experiences.

Thanks.

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Post by jtrichard » Mon May 04, 2015 9:31 am

SHORT answer YES YES YES ... Go to jd parts catalog #926 and it will show the bracket and weights ....they don"t spell out any more weights with a 4in1 BUT on my 2010 it calls for 3 more weights #8255 (600 pounds)...(#8255 same ones used on 350) when equipped with a 4in1...... 2010 with loader 4in1 calls for 2200 pounds (dont drop that on your toe)
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Post by Tigerhaze » Tue May 05, 2015 11:51 am

FYI, you can likely run without counterweights empty and not notice much difference but when filling your front bucket full you are likely to tip forward some which is not great for undercarriage I can't speak to the addition a Drott bucket would have on that but would concur that additional weight are needed. I believe the counterweight requirements for a 2010 loader without a Drott is supposed to be 1000 pounds- may be somewhat less for a 350 so 600 might be right (each suitcase weight on the 2010 stack was 200 pounds).
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Post by jtrichard » Tue May 05, 2015 1:35 pm

Gary without 4in1 a 2010 calls for 1600 pounds per the loader book plus 600 with 4in1
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Post by Tigerhaze » Tue May 05, 2015 6:03 pm

I will take a look again but thought I saw that in my spec tables in the operator manual, and my second 2010 crawler loader has a stack of 5 suitcase weights. However going by memory is usually not a good thing to do on a bulletin board ;)
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Post by srs_mn » Tue May 05, 2015 9:19 pm

I ran my 350C and 450C, without additional counter weights, with the backhoes removed all the time... both had 4in1 buckets, standard drawbar/belly counter weights and the standard sprocket weights...I dropped the hoe off as soon as it wasn't needed, and I never had any trouble digging or loading trucks, etc. Try it--you'll like it.
I don't know how you could mount extra weights and still mount a backhoe anyway.
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Post by jtrichard » Tue May 05, 2015 10:08 pm

looks like some 350s had no rear weights with hoe and some did so if he has a rear weight and sprocket weights then he may not need the additional weight ..... the weight package hooks in the hoe/ripper frame when you remove the hoe i have a 2010 with 4in1 and rippers i have added one additional weight above what it calls for and when trying to back out of a hole with a good load it still wants to stand on its nose
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Post by jtrichard » Tue May 05, 2015 10:22 pm

Gary after looking at loader book (PC-705) with "tool" bracket (page 8) it takes #1600 plus(4in1) #600 ......with "hoe " bracket (page 7) it takes 5 regular and one bottom weight around 1200 pounds (they don't address the 4in1) I guess with the hoe bracket weighting about#100 more than the tool bracket and it pushing the weight pack farther back they figured it did not need as much as the tool bracket
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Post by Tigerhaze » Wed May 06, 2015 11:10 am

srs_mn wrote:I ran my 350C and 450C, without additional counter weights, with the backhoes removed all the time... both had 4in1 buckets, standard drawbar/belly counter weights and the standard sprocket weights...I dropped the hoe off as soon as it wasn't needed, and I never had any trouble digging or loading trucks, etc. Try it--you'll like it.
I run one of my 2010 loaders without counterweights because I want to keep the backhoe ready to quick-attach and don't want to leave the hoe on because it is so hard on the rollers and sprockets. As you stated I usually have no issues, except when loading the bucket nearly full with wet or heavy soil- then it wants to tip forward slightly which is really hard on the front idlers. Having said that I think having the counterweights is more of an issue for distributing the weight evenly across the undercarriage than a true safety issue.
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