450c hauling

north country dozer · Post by **north country dozer** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:49 am

howdy dozer friends. was wondering if I could get some advice here on hauling my 450 C. I only need to go a few miles and have a 10000 GVW trailer. they are local miles and was wondering if the trailer would be ok. I know I am overloading by at least 5000 pounds. any thoughts? Thanks in advance

Stan Disbrow · Post by **Stan Disbrow** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:44 am

Hi,

I would not. One little thing breaks on that short run, and you get spotted, the fines would be astronomical....

Stan

pop pop · Post by **pop pop** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:53 am

i would consider it.
you have to consider breaking the trailer,
popping a tire(s), damaging all the tires if they just cant take it,
and then consider the road,
any hills?
loose gravel, bad bridges?
stopping ability on gravel,dirt,
and what are you pulling the trailer with,
hopefully nothing under 4 or 5 ton.
maybe have a pilot car to run in front of you.
go slow. good luck.
or find someone with a heavier setup. it may cost you less.

77 Ford · Post by **77 Ford** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 am

20 years ago I might of tried such a feat, in litigious world we live in today I would not. If you were involved in any type of accident with injuries you would more than likely be jailed, your insurance would not cover you for "gross negligence" , and you would have no defense.

As others have said ask around I bet you can find someone to move it for you. I purchased a backhoe and even though I have a truck and trailer rated and capable of moving it I found a wrecker service that would go the 3 hours there and bring it back for 400 bucks and that was money well spent IMHO.

Post by **Lavoy** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:36 am

Dozer maybe, loader never.
Lavoy

mini kahuna · Post by **mini kahuna** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:23 am

years ago we went from hauling a 350 dozer around to a 450 loader....our chevy c 60 six wheel dump was not happy about the switch, had to get a bigger truck to be safe, get someone with the equipment to haul it safely, lot of weight there.

north country dozer · Post by **north country dozer** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:15 am

Truck is a ford lcf... 16k gvw, 27500 total gross with tow haul. Not concerned about truck. My only concern is the 10k trailer... It is only a 2 mile haul though with no hills... Might just try loading it to see how it looks on the trailer

mini kahuna · Post by **mini kahuna** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:34 pm

that 450 weighs in at least 5,000 lbs more than your trailer rating.

MarkW · Post by **MarkW** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:02 pm

Well good luck then! Also after you load it pull it a couple hundred yards or so because if something is going to break it will probably do it in the first quarter mile.

See, I can say that because eventually EVERYONE will do an overload haul sometime. My particular experience is the last serious overload I did was disastrous for the trailer. Only reason I did it was because it was a short haul like yours and it was a country road so if something broke the odds were not that great about getting a violation of some sort. Had it been a major road I wouldn't have attempted it in the first place. Anyway, fortunately I had a plan and I had to use it and other than a busted trailer I pretty much had no consequences.

So, if you do end up hauling your loader you need a plan for what to do in case the trailer breaks. First thing is going to be getting the loader parked off the road, next will be getting the trailer the hell out of there and preferably not at your house so if the police decide to inspect your trailer you can think up a fib about why it is not there. Lastly, you will need another trailer that you can call up at a minutes notice to move the loader, possibly after using it to drag off the broken trailer.

If you fail to do any of those you run the risks of the fines being substantially more than buying another trailer for your loader right now.

Plus, I can guarantee that anything broken on the trailer will cost more to fix than what paying or borrowing a proper sized trailer would be. Believe me, I know where you are coming from and many on this forum, and most likely all on this forum, have made overweight hauls before but you are not talking about a few hundred pounds but 50% over design weight and 2 1/2 tons. If you think about it I suspect you know someone who can haul it or has a trailer you might be able to borrow for a few bucks or maybe 30 minutes of dozer work and I'd put a bit of thought into that first.

Best of luck in whatever you choose!

Mark

pop pop · Post by **pop pop** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:18 pm

2miles, maybe just drive it.
the trailer will probably be fine, just dont get one wheel in any deep rut or you'll bend a spindle or spring shackle
keep it running fairly straight and wide turns.
tire capacity ? hitch fragility?
just go easy, if it breaks, well then fix it.
p.s. dont cinch the crawler down too tight, that might just be the bending of the trailer.

Paul Buhler · Post by **Paul Buhler** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:39 am

Many good comments about the consequences of trying this haul. If you break a trailer spring or just blow a tire - costly and time consuming, and you still need to get your machine moved, probably in a hurry since it may be on the side of the road.

I've driven a 450 machine 2miles in the winter to get it off a steep log road that no one wanted to haul on. It's not that big a deal. We do things like that regularly to get around the ski area with equipment. I'd guess you'd be able to move on a road shoulder at 4 mph or so. It may be quicker than loading and unloading.

So, I'd support having someone with a proper rig doing the move or plan a nice sight seeing run on the road shoulder. Good luck with which ever way you decide. Paul

ps. If you drive, don't do it on a hot day. Officials frown on grouser damage to pavement.

cdunn · Post by **cdunn** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:34 pm

Then you got to think it all over again for the return trip; so actually you are making two trips, unless of course, you are leaving it at this location. Hire somebody.

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:19 pm

I think most on here have covered what I would say about it- I would point out though that if the trailer has a listed GTWR of 10K pounds then the actual carrying capacity is less because you have to subtract the weight of the trailer itself. Thus your 5K pound overage may be actually 6K or 7K pounds. Having said that I know trailer manufacturers tend to de-rate those ratings, but if your tires are overloaded and blow it doesn't really matter if the trailer frame is bending or not.

I personally sleep better at night paying someone else to have the headaches of hauling them if I don't have the proper equipment to do so.

Jack-the-Ripper · Post by **Jack-the-Ripper** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:02 pm

I read almost the same thread on this site a few years ago - deja vu.
A tow company with a roll-back flatbed is a convenient alternative.

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:08 pm

I have a 9 ton trailer, and a C65 (27500 LB Gas powered) A 450B (14500) or a Case 580K 16500 are the heaviest I'd consider. That's a 23000 LB trailer.

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