Need opinions on converting a german 450

[JD430C]

Need some opinions on weather i should leave this 450 the way it is or convert it to a regular 450. i have been trying to sell it for a few months now, and most people lose interest when they see pics of it. i am buying a parts 450C in a few weeks that has all the parts to do it, but dont know if i should convert, or leave it be. opinions?

thanks
andrew

[jdemaris]

Need some opinions on weather i should leave this 450 the way it is or convert it to a regular 450. i have been trying to sell it for a few months now, and most people lose

I've been working on 450s since they were invented -but only US versions. I don't see a striking difference going by the photo.

So, what exactly are the differences?

[JD430C]

JDemaris, i have looked it over quite well, the only difference i can see is the operator station and the injector pump. everything else is identical to my us 450. when people see it they lose interest cause its not like a us 450. i kinda like it, but already have a nice 450C and dont need both.

andrew

[jdemaris]

JDemaris, i have looked it over quite well, the only difference i can see is the operator station and the injector pump. everything else is identical to my us 450. when people see it they lose interest cause its not like a us 450. i
andrew

I don't believe it would make a bit of difference in selling it, at least not around here in New York. A guy near me has one of the largest tractor auction-sales-salvage yards in this part of the country. He gets a lot of European tractors, and they usually sell for more, not less - than US versions. One example is the Massey Harris "French" Pony with a two-cylinder diesel. One comes up every year, and always sells for more than the US version with the four-cylinder gas engine.

Your 450 ought to have the European copy of Stanadyne injection pump - a CAV. That is because the original pump was invented in the USA by Vernon Roosa. He then sold rights to Bosch and CAV to copy - but with the agreement that their pumps would NOT be used in the USA, and the USA Stanadyne pumps NOT be used in Europe. The fact is, the CAV is a better pump.

[teighs]

Is it because the parts are impossible to find, or too expensive to import?

[JD430C]

teigh, as far as i can tell, everything except the inj pump and operators station is identical to the US ones, so the parts would be the same. i think people dont want it just because it says germany on the tag.

andrew

[digitup2]

We had a few but very few of them come into Canada . the Industrial Deere dealers sold these with backhoe atachments .I know a farm drainage guy that had one in widetrack it could dig a trench any where .I never got to see the injector pump on it .A backhoe worked real nice on them ofcorse He set his hoe 6or 8 inches more forward and it ballanced like you would not belive .His drainage plow would not go through the real bad spots so he got me with my self propeled unit to do the worst .I got him to hoe through the worst in return [he didn't like that ] .If it is european did they use metric track chain as well?Digitup.

[jdemaris]

teigh, as far as i can tell, everything except the inj pump and operators station is identical to the US ones, so the parts would be the same. i think people dont want it just because it says germany on the tag.

andrew

It wouldn't affect price around the types of buyers I know. If anything, the German version ought to be worth more since it has a better injection pump.

We sold many Manheim version farm tractors new - and they sold just as well as the US versions. In fact, in used condition, they still do. Go price a used Manheim 820 or 830 and compare it to a US version 1020 or 300 Industrial.

Several newer US deere crawlers came with foreign parts and engines anyway. We sold many 350s with engines built in Saran, France.