3152D engine info help
3152D engine info help
Hi guys...just wondering what crawlers used the 152-3 cylinder diesel engine so I can search the forum for information about them. Thinking of buying another "project"...probably early 70's...Just want to know if it was a good engine and if I should be considering it. I welcome any advice you guys have. Thanks. BOB
Thanks again Ken....most of my research has turned up good reviews on this engine...and nice to hear it's economical on fuel these days!...I am concerned about that injection pump...but I'm not even totally sure that it is a C series...it is some distance away and I haven't gone to look at it yet...maybe next week. Heard that some of them were difficult to start in the cold...and I guess cavitation in the liners would be another thing to look for...(antifreeze in the crankcase)...Robert
OK...nice to know Ken...(have a tank heater on the 450C too...although I haven't owned the thing long enough to know much about it)...I guess I'm not too worried about the pump regardless...I have a lot of faith in some of the older equipment...we have a 1956 IH 350 farm tractor and the only part I ever had to replace in my lifetime of 42 yrs. was a fan belt..(and split shive ring I broke trying to get the new one adjusted)...so, in reality, there's a good chance that I'll never even have to deal with the pump issue...thanks! Robert
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JWB Contracting
- 2010 crawler
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3179 is a great engine
We put a 3179 in our 350C widepad hoe and wow what a difference. We bought a farily new ingersoll rand compressor for this engine. It will start at 15 below (celcius that is) without ether. Have to be careful and run this machine a low revs as we are scared to blow up the drive train as it is alot more power than the original motor. Incredible digging power now and we don't let our hired hands even sit on the seat.
I have 2 3179 turbo engine for sale, takeouts our of Ditch Witch directional drills. I wouldn't recomend them for a 350 thought as this would be way too much power.
I have 2 3179 turbo engine for sale, takeouts our of Ditch Witch directional drills. I wouldn't recomend them for a 350 thought as this would be way too much power.
Jason Benesch
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
At one time, I had a pair of 1968 3-152's, one in a JD350 and the other in a 1520 ag tractor. That engine worked fine in the dozer and would make hay like crazy in the tractor. The 1520 was a lot more machine than the older 435 (with the 2-53 diesel) it replaced.
In fact, it was the 3-153 in the 1520 and how much better it was over the 2-53 in the 435 that had me skipping past a 2-53 equipped 440 to buy that 3-152 equipped 350 at the time.
These days, I have a quite new (2008) Deere 5103 which is pretty much the same thing as the 1520 in most respects, except for the engine, which is a 3-179 turbo. Now, you might think that there's not that much difference between a 3-152 and a 3-179, but there's more there than you might guess!
I bought the 5103 precisely because I liked that 1520 so danged much and had need for a haying tractor again. Like the 1520, I have a loader on it so it's really an 'everything' tractor for me with haying being the job that requires the most, as well as the most sustained, power from the engine.
Well, that 3-179TD has so much more power than the 3-152 did that I actually worry about twisting something up inside the old small square baler when things get thick. So far that hasn't happened, but the new engine won't bog down like the old one would - it just makes the baler hammer harder!
As far as cold starting goes, the turbo has no ether port, of course. It does have a heater incorporated into the air intake and that works surprisingly well - almost as fast as using glow plugs. So, no more running the engine on the starter while the stack blows all that white smoke trying to warm up enough to keep running on it's own. Like it was with the JD350 and 1520.
I'd love to have another 350 with a 3-179 in it, but do see where one would have to go easy with the throttle. I do believe that the newer engine would bust something in a 350. Perhaps one ought to put the 3-179 into a 450 instead, where the rest of the parts are meant to handle more power.....
Later!
Stan
At one time, I had a pair of 1968 3-152's, one in a JD350 and the other in a 1520 ag tractor. That engine worked fine in the dozer and would make hay like crazy in the tractor. The 1520 was a lot more machine than the older 435 (with the 2-53 diesel) it replaced.
In fact, it was the 3-153 in the 1520 and how much better it was over the 2-53 in the 435 that had me skipping past a 2-53 equipped 440 to buy that 3-152 equipped 350 at the time.
These days, I have a quite new (2008) Deere 5103 which is pretty much the same thing as the 1520 in most respects, except for the engine, which is a 3-179 turbo. Now, you might think that there's not that much difference between a 3-152 and a 3-179, but there's more there than you might guess!
I bought the 5103 precisely because I liked that 1520 so danged much and had need for a haying tractor again. Like the 1520, I have a loader on it so it's really an 'everything' tractor for me with haying being the job that requires the most, as well as the most sustained, power from the engine.
Well, that 3-179TD has so much more power than the 3-152 did that I actually worry about twisting something up inside the old small square baler when things get thick. So far that hasn't happened, but the new engine won't bog down like the old one would - it just makes the baler hammer harder!
As far as cold starting goes, the turbo has no ether port, of course. It does have a heater incorporated into the air intake and that works surprisingly well - almost as fast as using glow plugs. So, no more running the engine on the starter while the stack blows all that white smoke trying to warm up enough to keep running on it's own. Like it was with the JD350 and 1520.
I'd love to have another 350 with a 3-179 in it, but do see where one would have to go easy with the throttle. I do believe that the newer engine would bust something in a 350. Perhaps one ought to put the 3-179 into a 450 instead, where the rest of the parts are meant to handle more power.....
Later!
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Thanks Stan...I'm feeling confident about the 3-152...as long as everything else is in good shape on the unit...My 450 has the ether port on its 4219TD also but the line is broken off right now. Would rather use the block heater but it's good to have the option I guess. The first time I saw one of those intake manifold heaters was on a 100HP Continental engine I bought a year ago to use on my sawmill..another future "project"...but until I picked up the 450 this fall I didn't have any reason to get the mill set up...besides I need to use it to prepare the site....gonna have a busy summer = ) BOB
A naturally aspirated 3179 wont hurt a 350. The 3179D was used in the 355D and 350D. Which have the same exact powertrain as the 350Cs. The 3179D in that application was rated at 48 horse instead of 42 for the 3152(early) and 3164 (late) 350C's.
If youre in a cold climate make sure to put two batteries in, it was a factory option.
If youre in a cold climate make sure to put two batteries in, it was a factory option.
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Stan Disbrow
- 350 crawler
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Hi,
Most of these engines were made in Saran. Deere built that plant specifically to consolidate engine production as I recall....
Later!
Stan
Most of these engines were made in Saran. Deere built that plant specifically to consolidate engine production as I recall....
Later!
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
These posts will explain to you the relationship of CAV pumps to the Stanadyne pumps and some good information about European models in general:BOBWOOD wrote:I went to see it this week and it turns out that it is a 3-179...made in Saran France...with a Lucas Cav injection pump?...runs great but lots of blow-by...could use a rebuild...
http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... hlight=cav
http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... hlight=cav
http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... hlight=cav
http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboard/ ... v&start=45
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