Looking at a used 2010

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:43 pm

Found a 2010 30 miles from me. It's a crawler loader. Hours are unknown but I am estimating about 3000. The meter is at almost 2500 and the machine was used for 30 years to back drag a beach at a summer camp. The undercarriage is like new ( it was replaced 6-7 years ago and the machine has only been used lightly.

The right steering clutch has been replaced and works perfectly. The left one requires a full pull to actuate but works correctly. It has not been replaced. No smoke when warm, no blow by. Hydraulic oil has some water in it ( foamy).

The machine is straight and looks good with a 3-4 year old paint job that's holding up well. Starts right up, runs like a kitten.

Comes with a 93 hoe that has hardly been used but has sat outside all it's life. Oil is foamy. All the hoses need replacing. Paint is gone. Bushings are good. No real slop. Bucket is not worn.

Owner want's $6500 and isn't willing to deal ( doesn't have to sell it and has been using it to load sawdust and loam).

Comments or suggestions? Crawler loaders are rare in Maine and I have work for it right away on my farm. I hate renting excavators as my schedule is highly irregular.

jtrichard · Post by **jtrichard** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:54 pm

Diesel? or gas? HLR Trans? or Std. if you are happy its a fair price,,, kinda on the high side but if you can take her home and work her the same day thats worth a lot

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:23 am

It's a diesel HLR. The hoe is going to need some maintenance. I can only hope the swing cylinder doesn't die on me but that's the chance you take with this style.

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:04 pm

Bought it. Paid too much I am sure, but it fits the bill. Left clutch got wet today and isn't working as well.

It's been raining and raining, tore the crap out of the yard.

Trans Pressure gage is reading H for high... guess I need to pull the filters. According to the seller he replaced the filter. I don't know if he cleaned the screen.

Speaking of filters, can any Deere dealer get them or do you have to go to Nortrax?

I need to flush the trans and get the water out. Has anyone used diesel 911 in the trans to grab the water before flushing???

Thanks.

jtrichard · Post by **jtrichard** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:06 pm

how did water get in the steer clutch ? as for the filter its a paper filter on the HLR jd is not bad on price and a new oring or 2

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:24 am

Hi Charley-

I paid as much as you when I bought my 2010 crawler loader/backhoe combo so know how you feel.

A new or nearly new undercarriage for a 2010 is a big plus as some of those parts are obsolete and hard to find good used.

Are you sure it is a 93 hoe? Many of the 2010s came with a Model 50 hoe which looks very similar and has the same barrel swing cylinder.

I would check your radiator antifreeze and make sure it is new- old antifreeze in those 2010 diesels are a bad combination for cavitation problems.

I agree with JT about the steering clutch housings- water generally doesn't get in them unless the top inspection port cover is missing or the bottom plug is out and you drove into deep water. Sometime you will find oil in them because of leaking seals from the final drive- are you sure it's water?

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:44 pm

I have paperwork from 1968 when it was sold to it's second owner from a Deere dealer that lists it as a 93 hoe so that's what I am going off of. I don't see any identifying marks on it but haven't gone over it carefully since it's been raining continuously. The cover over the left clutch is loose. I don't know if it's oil or water in there, but, when I drove it thursday the left clutch required a firm pull but worked just fine. It rained thursday friday and saturday AND sunday.

When I picked it up sunday morning the clutch wasn't working so well. Actually, it could be oil because the backhoe blew a hose thursday night and oil was everywhere and with a loose cover quite a bit of oil might have gotten in there.

Anyhow, I'll open it up over the weekend and take a look.

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:13 am

Hi Charlie-

The reason I asked about the backhoe is that 2010s generally were matched to a Model 50 or 51 hoe when they first came out. Sometimes the data plates are gone so you don't know what you have exactly. Both are open center hoes so shouldn't be too big a deal.

If you find oil in the steering clutch housing, read the archives on here before you try to do anything. You don't want to make the problem worse by adding a petroleum product to clean it out and end up ruining the fiber discs.

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:40 pm

You make an interesting point about the data plate on the hoe. The inspection report from 1968 calls it a 93 but also says there is no plate. I think you are right and it is a 50. The 91/93 came out with the 350/450 and from what I can glean this hoe was sold originally with the tractor which would make it a 50.

Your point about cleaning the disks is well taken and something I was already wondering about. I'll do a search.

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:11 pm

awesome.
I just read through all the posts on steering clutchs. Looks like I am going to have to tear it down now instead of later and replace the discs. Argh. I knew the left clutch needed to be replaced but it was useable. Too many things to fix and so little time....

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:17 am

Hi Charlie-

I wouldn't despair about rebuilding the steering clutch at this point until you try a few things. I would first try to adjust that clutch per the operator manual instructions and see if that helps.

As for any oil in the clutch housing, if truly from the hose break you had it may be possible to clean out with a non-petroleum based brake cleaner. Just make sure you remove the drain plug in the bottom of the steering clutch housing. My point about the posts on cleaning is to not use kerosene, diesel, gasoline, or other fluids that are pretroleum based.

If the oil is coming from leaking final drive seals, then you may have to rebuild so you can also change the seals. A rebuild may be ultimately necessary and is the best way to ensure that you have uncontaminated fiber discs, but is a hassle so I would try the other options first. You really don't have anything to lose by doing so.

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:20 am

CharleyF wrote: You make an interesting point about the data plate on the hoe. The inspection report from 1968 calls it a 93 but also says there is no plate. I think you are right and it is a 50. The 91/93 came out with the 350/450 and from what I can glean this hoe was sold originally with the tractor which would make it a 50.

I want to say there was a post somewhere on this site that described some differences between the Models 50 and 93 that can help identify them- I want to say one difference is the shape of the stabilizers (round versus square) but am not sure and don't have time to search. You may want to try and find that post or maybe someone else will answer.

CharleyF · Post by **CharleyF** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:54 pm

I'll look at it more carefully over the weekend. My initial thought was that it was an adjustment problem but there was a definite change from thursday to sunday in driving it.

Data on the backhoes is slim but looking at the brochures for the 50 and the 93 I think mine IS a 93. I'll look at it when I go to the farm on friday. It's been raining and I have it all covered up.

jtrichard · Post by **jtrichard** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:52 pm

hi charley does your boom cly. hook to the top and the boom hook to the bottom of the swing rotor-cly.or is there a frame between the rotor and the boom? if it hooks direct than its a mod. 50 if there is a frame then its a mod.93 .. JD used both the mod. 50 and the mod. 93 on the 2010 i would guess the the 93 was only on the late 2010s

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:04 pm

The difference that Jtrichard is mentioning can be see on the illustrations on the specs sheets for each model hoe below:

Model 50

http://www.murphyused.com/images/specs/359.pdf

Model 93A (they didn't have spec sheet for the 93)

http://www.murphyused.com/images/specs/357.pdf

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