Penetrating fluids
- BKahler
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Penetrating fluids
This came from another forum that I'm a member of. Might have to give the last one a try.
The April/May 2007 edition of Machinist's Workshop did a test of penetrating oils where they measured the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The lower the number of pounds the better. Mighty interesting results for simple acetone and tranny fluid!
Penetrating oil . Average load .. Price per fluid ounce
None................. 516 pounds .
WD-40 .............. 238 pounds .. $0.25
PB Blaster ......... 214 pounds .. $0.35
Liquid Wrench ... 127 pounds .. $0.21
Kano Kroil ........ 106 pounds .. $0.75
ATF-Acetone mix.. 53 pounds .. $0.10
The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 mix (1 to 1 ratio)."
Brad
The April/May 2007 edition of Machinist's Workshop did a test of penetrating oils where they measured the force required to loosen rusty test devices. The lower the number of pounds the better. Mighty interesting results for simple acetone and tranny fluid!
Penetrating oil . Average load .. Price per fluid ounce
None................. 516 pounds .
WD-40 .............. 238 pounds .. $0.25
PB Blaster ......... 214 pounds .. $0.35
Liquid Wrench ... 127 pounds .. $0.21
Kano Kroil ........ 106 pounds .. $0.75
ATF-Acetone mix.. 53 pounds .. $0.10
The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 mix (1 to 1 ratio)."
Brad
- JD440ICD2006
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Very interesting.
I always wonder about these test. How could they possibly get that many "rusted components" that are at the same tension and require exactly the same torque to release?
Water is the cheapest and it works (unless you buy bottled water which has been proven to be not as good as most tap water, and far more expensive)
One of the marketing ploys with most of those commercial products is to add a fragrance that we actually become accustomed to, kinda like our favorite perfume on our woman. It actually makes us think it works better than it really does. They also add effervescence (fizz) to make it "look" like it is "soaking in" when it really is not doing any more than the others.
I always wonder about these test. How could they possibly get that many "rusted components" that are at the same tension and require exactly the same torque to release?
Water is the cheapest and it works (unless you buy bottled water which has been proven to be not as good as most tap water, and far more expensive)
One of the marketing ploys with most of those commercial products is to add a fragrance that we actually become accustomed to, kinda like our favorite perfume on our woman. It actually makes us think it works better than it really does. They also add effervescence (fizz) to make it "look" like it is "soaking in" when it really is not doing any more than the others.
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- BKahler
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I think this list might be reasonably accurate. I've used all of them but the ATF-Acetone mix and would more or less agree on their degree of penetration. Supposedly the original article in Machinest Workshop they describe how the tests were performed. I haven't found the article so can't give any details on what they did.
I will definitely try the ATF-Acetone mix to see how that works. I've never tried water before but based on Lavoy's comment I will probably have to give that a try as well.....
Brad
I will definitely try the ATF-Acetone mix to see how that works. I've never tried water before but based on Lavoy's comment I will probably have to give that a try as well.....
Brad
Water is one of the best solvents out there- the trick is to immediately dry the parts after seperation so they do not rust back together!
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- JD440ICD2006
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We all have our own favorites. I used to use Kroil. I found out that I can get a lot more water for a lot less money.
The only thing is, I am not adicted to the smell and fizz of water, since it has neither.
Another big disadvantage is that the water bottle is plain and does not brag about how well it works.
The only thing is, I am not adicted to the smell and fizz of water, since it has neither.
Another big disadvantage is that the water bottle is plain and does not brag about how well it works.
1959 JD 440ICD w/64 Power Angle Tilt Blade
1959 JD 440ICD w/63 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 440IC w/602 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 730D W SE (many options)
1950 JD M S w/M-20 Mower
1952 JD M W
1955 FORD 640 (burns the most fuel)
1959 JD 440ICD w/63 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 440IC w/602 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 730D W SE (many options)
1950 JD M S w/M-20 Mower
1952 JD M W
1955 FORD 640 (burns the most fuel)
I think I am going to have to try Kroil- water isn't always the best way for some of the parts I use and some of the other rust penetrants I have tried don't work all that well. However I keep hearing about how well Kroil works, and the study seems to confirm that.
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- JD440ICD2006
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If someone would make a penetrate product that would protect my knuckles, I would buy it!
1959 JD 440ICD w/64 Power Angle Tilt Blade
1959 JD 440ICD w/63 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 440IC w/602 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 730D W SE (many options)
1950 JD M S w/M-20 Mower
1952 JD M W
1955 FORD 640 (burns the most fuel)
1959 JD 440ICD w/63 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 440IC w/602 Manual Angle Blade
1959 JD 730D W SE (many options)
1950 JD M S w/M-20 Mower
1952 JD M W
1955 FORD 640 (burns the most fuel)
Tigerhaze , I looked high and low around here for it and ended up buying it from the Eastwood company .
http://www.eastwood.com/kroil-1-gallon.html
I buy the gallon can instead of the aerosol cans , a gallon of Kroil goes a long way when it comes right down to it .
Dan
http://www.eastwood.com/kroil-1-gallon.html
I buy the gallon can instead of the aerosol cans , a gallon of Kroil goes a long way when it comes right down to it .
Dan
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- joeturner1977
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Lu47Dan,
Sinclair is a shooter supply store and they have it as well. Their gallon price is better, and they have smaller sizes available. Check out this link.
http://www.sinclairintl.com/prod_detail ... antsGrease
Better Yet..... Check this out,
http://www.kanolabs.com/google/
Sinclair is a shooter supply store and they have it as well. Their gallon price is better, and they have smaller sizes available. Check out this link.
http://www.sinclairintl.com/prod_detail ... antsGrease
Better Yet..... Check this out,
http://www.kanolabs.com/google/
-Joe
1958 420c w/mc60 blade
1958 420c w/mc60 blade
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