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Post by DukeofDeere » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:34 pm

The 430 is part of Deere's 30 series. Constantly there were new improvements to the crawler line.
Big difference is the reverser. It is the same as the 440.
Almost equal in production as the BO Lindeman.

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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:58 am

Hi,

The 430 was essentially a dash and tin change from the 420 Phase III.

It was done to the entire range of machines, not just the small ones.

The entire x30 series was just a styling change. The purpose of which was to sell some new machines to folks that could not stand the idea of the end of their beloved 2-cylinder machines.

Some of the Deere books say it was to quell rumors of the New Generation line, but I cannot imagine that would really work. We all know what is coming because new designs are field tested, and once that starts, people see them and then we all know.

Anyway, the 430 lasted one year, then became the 1010.

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Post by Lavoy » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:19 am

The 30 series tested out a lot of the styling and comfort changes that would be introduced on the new gen tractors.
440 was a purpose built industrial, and if you look at production figures for final year of the 420 and both years of the 430, it killed the sales for the most part. That being said, there was still a market for a cheaper crawler in addition to the remaining ag users, so Deere still needed the 430 to fill those markets. Keep in mind that Deere built some Dubuque models with production figures in the single digits, or close to it, so quite a bit different than today where volume rules.
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:02 pm

DukeofDeere wrote:The 430 is part of Deere's 30 series. Constantly there were new improvements to the crawler line.
Big difference is the reverser. It is the same as the 440.
Almost equal in production as the BO Lindeman.

Duke
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The differential style reverser came out on the 420. I have one on my Phase-III. I am not sure if it came out at the end of the Phase-II or was Phase-III only. Lavoy probably knows for sure.

I can say it is not covered in my 420 service manual, but is (of course) covered in my 430 service manual. I cannot say, though, if my 420 service manual is of the last printing revision or not. My M thru 430 manuals came out of my uncle's dealership when he closed it in 1982. I do know my parts manual is from 1962, and it covers everything thru the 440 series.

One odd thing about my 420c. It is an Ag model, so is Green, including the Reverser. But, there is Yellow under the Green - only on the reverser - so it appears that they toted a reverser from other side if the shop and painted it over to install on an Ag-ordered 420c.

My uncle had ordered it for a dairy farmer, and my dad scarfed it up when it was traded-in back in 1967. So, I actually know that it is still as it originally was. Except for my dad's preference for using a 2010 seat bottom as a backrest. That is decidedly not original! ;)

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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:09 pm

Lavoy wrote:The 30 series tested out a lot of the styling and comfort changes that would be introduced on the new gen tractors.
440 was a purpose built industrial, and if you look at production figures for final year of the 420 and both years of the 430, it killed the sales for the most part. That being said, there was still a market for a cheaper crawler in addition to the remaining ag users, so Deere still needed the 430 to fill those markets. Keep in mind that Deere built some Dubuque models with production figures in the single digits, or close to it, so quite a bit different than today where volume rules.
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Oh, the 440 series is a whole story unto itself. Prior to that, Industrial machines had little by way of special parts. Mostly, it was just a yellow paint job. Once the 440 line showed up as dedicated to the Industrial market, whole piles of new, specialized, bits were developed. That, of course, led to re-designing the entire lineup from scratch. I often wonder if Deere could have made it work out if they hadn't had the 420 series to use as a base....

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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Post by DukeofDeere » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:55 pm

Anyone have an idea what they are worth?

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Post by DukeofDeere » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:00 pm

No one has an idea of value eh?

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Post by gregjo1948 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:30 pm

Stan Disbrow wrote:Hi,

The 430 was essentially a dash and tin change from the 420 Phase III.

It was done to the entire range of machines, not just the small ones.

The entire x30 series was just a styling change. The purpose of which was to sell some new machines to folks that could not stand the idea of the end of their beloved 2-cylinder machines.

Some of the Deere books say it was to quell rumors of the New Generation line, but I cannot imagine that would really work. We all know what is coming because new designs are field tested, and once that starts, people see them and then we all know.

Anyway, the 430 lasted one year, then became the 1010.

Stan-- Are you saying the 430 came after the 440? I thought it was the opposite. gregjo1948






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Post by Stan Disbrow » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:52 pm

Hi,

The 440 came at the same time as the 430 in 59. The 430 was agricultural, the 440 was industrial. The 430 lasted a single year, then morphed into the 1010 in 1960. The 440 got heavier duty and went on into 1961.

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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Post by Lavoy » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:49 pm

440 came out in 58 same as the last year of the 420. 430 was manufactured in 59 and 60 in conjunction with the 440, so 440 actually spans two models. 1010 was introduced in 61.
The 1010 shares little in common with the 430, and is an evolution of the 440, not the 430. Early 1010 and late 440 have nearly identical final drives, track frames, same sprockets, front idlers, upper idlers, crossbars, dozer mounting systems, use of heavy duty front ends, one of cast, one of heavy steel, both with headlights mounted behind the grill for protection. Both have predrilled mounting plates on the outside of the track frames for dozer, sideboom, and other attachments. 440 and 1010 both mount final drives directly to the rear crossbar for additional strength and use full length sideframes to remove stress from the engine block as a structural member.
Value is really subjective just like any crawler, but I would say that 430's are more desirable than the 20 series, but that holds true with the wheel tractors as well, has for many years. Doesn't make them better, just more desirable.
Value also depends on condition, recent repairs, options, etc. As for a general range, I would say $2500-$5500 for non-restored crawler, not including some of the anomalies at an auction, and leaving out some of the really rare variants such as LP or all-fuel. I have sold a few, never over $6000 as far as I can remember, and I sold a couple heavily optioned 430's years back.
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Post by wizner85 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:33 am

Saw a 430 4 roller with a 3 point sell at auction for $20,000 last year. Same auction had a 440 with a 64 blade and didn't run, only 700 hours original (claimed), and it brought $11,000. Needless to say, I couldn't believe it and wished two of my dozers were at the same sale. I'd let a pair go for $30,000 as is...

I'd pay about $3,000 for the pair in the pics if all parts are present and undercarriage is usable.
430 is rare, but also very expensive when replacing all seals, gaskets, and rebuilding the entire machine. And 430 tin is only 430 tin. Can't use 420, 40, or M hood, grill, dash, batt box, etc.
You can put $5,000 easily into a crawler just to get it running without touching the undercarriage.
If they had hydraulic adjusters, 3 pts, scarifiers, winches, etc attachments, then pay more, but not for a plane jane tractor that hasn't run in 30 years.

Just got a 430 for my dad and paid a little over scrap, because that is basically what it is right now, but it did run. Nothing worked, but it ran up on the trailer.
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:54 pm

Hi,

Learn something new every day. I always thought the 430 and 440 came out in 59, or at least for the 59 'model year'. As in at the same time. So, it went 420 - 440 - 430. Why not? Everything Deere was doing at the time was 'different', right?

We never had a 440, although plenty came and went thru the shop during the 1970s. I went from the 420 to the JD350 and back to the 420. My uncle had an early 440 and when he passed I had first crack at it. I would have had to haul it 900 miles, and my cousin's husband could use it and only had to haul it 200 miles. So, he got it:)

I could not see where it would be any better for me than my 420 as they both have manual blades and reversers. Now, if it was a late 440, or had a PAT blade, that would have been a different story.

If I get another machine, I want another straight 350 with outside manual blade like the one I had. My main use for a crawler is road maintenance and I like ditching with the wider outside blade better since I can keep the machine on an even keel and not have it half in the ditch. ;)

Besides, I like the 3 cyl diesels the best of all the engine designs. I can see it now: a collection of 3 cyls like some guys have 2 cyls! :) what are the numbers which will hit it big in the next lottery drawing?? :P

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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Post by pop pop » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:38 pm

I like the look of the 430 nose. I would take off that guard just to show it off. I know the guard is there for protection but dirt never hurt. :lol:
440icd/602/8a,,440icd/831/ripper,,440icd/831/3pt.,misc. 440 parts, i have 5 of these now, but i can stop anytime :cry:

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