440icd cold weather starting

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Stan Disbrow
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:42 pm

Hi,

I was not using single quotes, but something was fouling things up there. I am not sure what.

My fear is that the engine compression is low to begin with. That will also make for hard starting as it will have trouble making enough heat to ignite diesel.

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Post by uler3161 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:43 pm

Stan Disbrow wrote:Hi,

I was not using single quotes, but something was fouling things up there. I am not sure what.

My fear is that the engine compression is low to begin with. That will also make for hard starting as it will have trouble making enough heat to ignite diesel.

Stan
That was on my list of things to test, but will have to wait until the weather gets better.

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Post by whiteclipse16 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:12 am

Where are you setting the throttle?
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Post by uler3161 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:03 am

whiteclipse16 wrote:Where are you setting the throttle?
I tried it both at full throttle and about half throttle, but I am going to try starting it today at low throttle with ether and see if that helps.

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Post by Lavoy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:13 am

There is a mechanical problem somewhere. A freshly rebuilt 2-53 with even the S series pistons will easily start with ether. With engine heater, will start without ether.
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Post by uler3161 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:58 pm

So I finally had some time to look at compression. The #1 cylinder looked like it had decent compression. I forgot to write it down, but I think first stroke had a little less than 200 and after a few cranks it was about 350.

#2 is giving me problems. It will barely move the needle on the compression gauge. I have tried cleaning the injector hole thinking it was not sealing up, but it did not help.

I have been wondering why the thing runs fine when it is running. I would think with virtually zero compression in one cylinder it would not be usable, but that is not the case.

Another thing I noticed is the end of the injectors seemed to have a bit of carbon buildup.

And I think someone has upgraded the injectors. I see a N cast into the injector body. I assume that means it is an N injector. Am I correct?

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Post by uler3161 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:30 am

I am guessing the site problems are causing some more issues. It says Lavoy was the last to post in this thread, but when viewing it, I have the last post.

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Post by Stan Disbrow » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:12 am

Hi,

Well, it shows 4 pages of posts and only 2 actually have any. Someone was really trying....

Stan
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Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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