Late Model vs Early Model

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Late Model vs Early Model

Post by 77 Ford » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:22 am

I found a thread that was accidental posted in the wrong section and posted they should really make it in the early model section to get more views. An admin moved it over which is nice but it got me thinking....

We need more conflict in all of lives so we should really start a thread explaining why us late model guys are better than those early model guys....

I'll get us started off.

1) All of our stuff is yellow, none of those weird green rigs
2) Our model numbers make sense, 350 < 450 < 550 etc what the heck is a 1010 and is that 970 better than a 40? I mean you'd have to super computer to keep track of what's bigger or better.
3) We have turbos....mostly some of the time
4) Obliviously late model owners are smarter and more attractive

I expect Lavoy to keep impartial in this debate as he needs to represent both of us equally !

Let's have some fun, we all need a good laugh...
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by gus » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:43 am

No, late model guys are just too lazy to work on their crawlers. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:48 am

Hi,

I gots both. :) They sit right next to each other.

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And, Some Early were yellow. And Deere would paint anything Early any color you wanted. And, I have seen Green Late ones. Such as JD350 Straight with PTO and 3-pt. Pretty sure those were Factory.

And, behind the 420c sits an M and behind the 350C sits a 5103. Wheel tractor variants of the crawlers. :) :)

And, see? Right there is the *real* difference between Early and Late. Lower case v. upper case letters! ;)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by 77 Ford » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:43 am

Sooo.... Stan you're saying you bat for both sides????

Clearly from your picture you an see the highlights on the late model are better protected = superior. I think you proved my point that late model >> early model.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:42 am

Hi,

Yes. Bat both ways. Sometimes even on the same day. I do that with the matching early and late wheel tractors, too! :)

Well, we had some rain, and I needed to wait for that to yank these overgrown boxwoods out right next to the house. I used the 420 rather than the 350 as it floated on the wet lawn better than the heavier 350. Less tearing up to fix.

Yesterday, I was doing some work on my farm road ditches and used the 350. That for the outside mount blade so I could keep the tracks out of the ditch and not put the side load on the roller flanges.

For me, different tools for different jobs.

Also, easier to angle and tilt the 350 blade than the 420 one, but that isn't an early v late thing. If the 350 sported an inside mount and the 420 an outside mount, it would be the other way around.

Oh, and my 97 Ford F350 diesel will greatly outpull my 99 Dodge diesel. :P

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Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:18 am

Hi,

Oh, and when I head into the woods, I prefer the 420 even tho the 350 has the ROPS. The 420 gets between the trees better as it is smaller.

Where I grew up (on the 420, Dad got it when I was 5), Dad made all the woods roads on the mountains with the 420. When he retired and sold the machine shop in 1990, they moved further North into the Adirondacks (I stayed put in the Taghkanics, or Taconics if you like the European spelling better) and Dad took the 420 with him.

So, I looked for another, or a 440, but only found piles of scrap metal. Some were self-propelled, but not anywhere near the condition of Dad's. So, I wound up with a 68 straight 350 with an outside blade. Looked just like the one I have now save it had no ROPS.

That 350 had many places where it couldn't get thru the paths made by the 420. Too big! But, that outside blade was much easier to angle and tilt and it did better plowing snow on the driveway. I traded it to my uncle for a 1520 wheel tractor when I moved to NC. The 1520 was within the weight of my trailer and the 350 was too heavy. Especially on a 650 mile interstate highway pull. Besides, by then I had the 420 back and didn't need two crawlers at that point but had a fine use for the wheel tractor.

Of course, I don't need two crawlers now, but happen to have them. I looked for many years for a 350 in good shape. That it is a C is even better. :) I really wanted the outside blade for working on my long farm road.

On the Ford v Dodge thing, the Ford is a crew cab dually and the Dodge is single rear wheels and a super cab. The Ford has more engine power and a 4.10 rear while the Dodge has a 3.50 rear. On the other hand, the Ford gets 17 MPG empty and the Dodge 23. So, I pull with the Ford and use the Dodge on trailerless road trips.

I did use the Dodge one time to pull a U Haul car trailer with an old 1950s car on it. Wished I had used the Ford. ;)

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Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by shinnery » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:19 pm

The Dodge would be a ClubCab as SuperCabs was a pherd thing. I gots a '96 Dodge ClubCab 2500 4x4 NV4500 8L V10. By the way all '94='02 2500s are two rear wheels and 3500s are dualleys.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:40 am

Hi,

Well, if you wanna be correct, Dodge called my 99 a Quad Cab. But, while it has four doors, the thing is pretty short and cramped in the back. Now, that is what I wanted back in 2016 when I bought it. Actually, I was looking for a 95-97 Ford F250 super cab with another 7.3 Power Stroke with a high rear end at the time. But, the Dodges turned up to be almost half the price on the used market. So, I went that route.

In 1997, I bought the Ford F350 new because I could not get a Dodge 3500 with a crew cab. I needed that while racing. I wanted to replace my 1993 F350 crew cab normally aspirated diesel with a turbo. And, I didn't like the idea of adding one to the old engine. I contemplated a new engine, but by the time I added it all up I was only $10k shy of a whole new truck. I was far better off buying a new one and selling the old one. And, so then I could have bought a Dodge as well as a Ford, but no crew cab on the Dodge....

And, I have seen Dodge 2500 with duallys and 3500 with single rear wheels. Same for Ford F250 and F350. Same for the Chevys, too. One sees all makes and models and years and variants in the paddocks at race tracks. Of course, at a race track one sees all manner of modifications, too. Like Cummins engines from a Dodge in a Chevy replacing a 6.2.... Maybe they made all those up. I do know one could get single rear wheels on a Ford F350 crew cab as my 93 came from the factory that way. As did my earlier 1983 GMC 3500 crew cab.

Maybe that was just a crew cab thing on Ford and Chevy way back when. I haven't paid attention since I quit racing in 2005. All I notice is everything seems to be a crew cab with a cargo box so short it is pointless. Except for the one tons, they all seem to have normal beds. ;)

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Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside manual blade
Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by shinnery » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:41 pm

Back about '72 Dodge was first with the extended cab and called it a ClubCab also had a CrewCab from the '60s. End of '85 model year Dodge was about to go under and dropped the crew and club cabs. '89 first Cummins (VE pump). With the added sales from the Cummins '92 and 93 the ClubCabs were back. New body in '94 (p-pumped Cummins and V10s) and added the ClubCab back in '95. For '98 they added suicide doors and called it a QuadCab. And '98.5 went to the 24 valve Cummins. Starting with '03 (new body) the CrewCab was back and 3500s were available with single rear wheels. Never seen a factory 2500 dually. A current QuadCab has extra sheetmetal behind a CrewCab and short box only. '07 went from 5.9L to 6.7L.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:43 am

Hi,

The last I went looking for a new truck was the summer of 1997. I had sold the place in NY and bought the place in NC (with the small house and the big race shop) and had enough dough left over for a brandy new Legends Car, an enclosed trailer and a new truck. So, I looked at all of the offerings from the Big Three.

I had sold all my racing stuff in 1993 in NY and began anew in NC in 1995, but all used and using a buddy's race shop. I was very happy to be completely relocated. I even had enough room in the 30x40 foot race shop (of my own) to park Dad's 420c in the back corner. I didn't need it on one acre. That was the only drawback of that place. In 2004, we bought this 20 acre place and I raced only one more year and hung up my helmet. But, then I had uses for the 420c again. :)

Anyway, Dodge was very seriously considered. The 12v turbo Cummins would have done better than the non-turbo IH 7.3 in my 93 F350. With the box trailer replacing an open one, and the hot, humid summer afternoon pulls to the Saturday Night Bullrings made the old IH wheeze. But, sadly, no crew cab. I was surprised as I did recall Dodge being first with that as highway departments everywhere had those.

When I went looking for a station wagon replacement, my 1990 Ford wagon being all worn out at 400k miles, I was happy to find the 98 Dodge 24 valve with the suicide doors on the back. With the high rear gearing, it runs right down the road using significantly less fuel than the F350.

As to dually 2500s and F250s seen at the race tracks, I would not be surprised to find out every one of those had been made up. It isn't a hard job, and it keeps a box trailer more stable in a cross wind. ;)

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Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside manual blade
Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Stan Disbrow » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:20 am

Hi,

Back to the Late v Early part. Here is my family. One crawler and one wheel tractor from the same families, or eras if you prefer. Two cylinder gas and three cylinder diesel. Everyone in their work clothes, dirt here and there, unwashed. Just like they should be. The M still has the hillers on from spring planting. Soon it gets them off for a fertilizer spreader.

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Somewhere around here, I have a shot of the F350 when it was new with the box race trailer on the back sitting in front of the race shop. I'll dig that up. I have thousands of digital shots taken from around 1999 onwards. The one I'm thinking of was probably taken with a Nikon D1.

This first shot was taken with a Pentax 645D 40MP medium format rig. My big camera. My little one is a 16 MP Nikon Df. In fact, here is the same image from the Df taken yesterday. Different looking images of the same subject, with different size cameras with different performance. This is why I have all this photo gear! ;)

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Missing from the shots are the 2005 x495 diesel garden tractor and my wife's Gator. They don't fit into the thread anyway, not being related to Early or Late crawlers. But, the x495 did mow that grass these are sitting on. :)

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Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside manual blade
Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside manual blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Also Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)

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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by CuttingEdge » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:39 am

Hey wait a minute now, new John Deere equipment is sometimes green, like their new skidders and feller-bunchers!

I always thought the late models were the losers because there is not as many used parts floating around in junk yards so you have to got to the dealer for that sort of stuff, and get charged 20 times what it is worth. I like John Deere but they rake you over the coals on parts, then rerake you just to make sure you learned your lesson.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by Dixon700 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:23 pm

Weirdly I thought my '66 450, would of been early model, but I learned not too long ago I was wrong. I'm for late model dozers, although I know literally nothing of the early models. After I get my 580sk back up n running, then I'm going to tackle my 450 the winch needs a overhaul and the right brake doesn't work, so I'll probably have to do a steering clutch also.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by 77 Ford » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:51 am

Well consider yourself very lucky to be part of the late model family, we are extra more smartz.
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Re: Late Model vs Early Model

Post by dtoots1 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:16 am

Well SMARTZ,
My model is a jd440...so it fits the newer category...howsomever it is an OLDER (EARLY)....i really love this thing....it does everything that i ask it to do...and is certainly light enough that i can haul it where i want with the 1/2 ton GMC.
I am constantly surprised at the amount of guts this thing has....gas , 2 cylinder and it lis 60 years old.
I can actually turn this thing on my asphalt driveway and NOT tear a thing up, sure does a job on my lawn though!!
I will keep her for a while..thank you!

Keep em coming!

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