hauling logs with 6 way blade 350C

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hauling logs with 6 way blade 350C

Post by dozingdozer » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:16 am

Hi folks and Happy New Year to you all. Question about the wisdom of hauling 10" to 20" logs out of the woods using a chain on the 6 way blade. The blade is pretty strong pushing but do I run the risk of damaging the system by skidding a few logs at a time in reverse using the 6 way. No winch on my unit. I have been doing this, however slowly, using the chain digger on a Vermeer ditcher. works fine but is wheeled and real slow in hydraulic drive mode. any thoughts or advice?

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Post by digitup2 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:07 pm

A350 B-C-or D series works proper in reverse don't wory about your trany get her done in reverse no problem .It is a pain in the neck looking backward .The problem was with the reverse in the reverser in the trany and the reverser some operators felt reverse and reverse ment an other forward gear and that was when the problems arise .Lavoy would be able to tell you but the B series got away from two reverses .I never had one of those little Deeres still my wide track 350D is going down the road I just got a 550G extra wide track so the 350 D wide track is nearly history.Digitup.
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Use Reverse If You have It

Post by JWB Contracting » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:28 pm

The 350C dozer machines that i have owned all had reverse in the transmission, so you put the tranny in reverse and the reverser in forward. This was needed when running a winch, which will only operate with the reverser in forward, so that you can back up and winch in at the same time.

We installed a dozer transmission in our wide pad loader hoes and we have not popped a reverser in many years. We ran into issues when backing up steep sloops or pulling our rod pusher out of a ditch when doing road crossings. Not any more reverser issues, but the next weak spot is the coupler between the transmission and the reverser. We wrecked a new coupler after two months use on a total rebuild a few years ago. The new coupler's splines were not cut all the way thru the coupler so we installed the original. It tooks 2 of us 2 full days to rip it down, install the coupler and reassemble.

Just be careful and take it easy and you will never have a problem with the 350C drive train. We have run 2 350C for 30 years now and cannot find better units for what we do swith them. Our machines are fairly overloaded as they are loader equiped with angle dozers, 30" tracks and 9550 hoes.
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hauling logs with 6 way blade 350C

Post by dozingdozer » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:24 am

thanks for the advice guys. if i undertsnad it the 350c , with no pto or winch, does not have ar everese in the tranny so it would be all reverser taking the load. i have been hauling these sticks using the vermeer dd using the hydro crawl mode and the chain as my boom and now i am worried.

but that has worked, but real slow. i think to be safe i am going to weld up a swing boom off the rear and winch the log butt off the ground (add on winch or come along) and chain it in the up position to take any stressing load off the blade to play it safe. and it will be easier to pull forward.

another fun project! let me get the sucker started this weekend and then work on the log boom. thanks again
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Post by Tigerhaze » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:56 am

I believe that Deere had logging arch/winch setups in their forestry packages for the 350 series crawlers. You may want to look that the literature/photos for the forestry packages to give you ideas on how to construct your logging arch.
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Post by JD430C » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:52 pm

Here is the factory winch/arch.

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Post by Paul Buhler » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Hi: For more comfort moving long stems through the woods longer distances, it's easier and less problematic when you are facing forward. They make wheeled tow behind arches (purchased or homemade) that attach to a drawbar. On some, the winch cable goes over a top roller and lifts and pulls the logs up behind the dozer helping to keep the butts off the ground. On some without winches, the stems are pushed into a bunch, and choked with a cable or chain, straddled by the arch, and hoisted a little with a chain binder system (no top roll needed - the noose hangs from a top clevis with the slack taken up by the binder. Some lighter homeowner/4wheeler systems use a come-along to do the job, but I think that the cable is too light for my taste and needs. I've seen heavier duty hand winches used off the top for hitches of one or two logs.
I've used an old truck hood laid on the ground as a skid with the logs bunched on top and bound to the hood so that the butts stay cleaner, and dragged the whole shebang behind the drawbar, A caution: going downhill, the load wants to push, and an arch can jackknife. A skid can ride up on the tracks and get caught. If your binding chain actually goes under the skid too, it will act as a drag and help prevent this.

Good luck getting your wood out. On our bunching tractors we welded a hook on each end of the blade so that we could throw a choker on a wayward stem, hook it up and snake it to a better place for hauling to the landing. It's good to have options when working in the woods. Paul
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hauling logs

Post by dozingdozer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:52 am

thanks guys. i think i am ghoing to go with the old truck hood as a slide and a welded up chained and winched arch off the rear. to keep it simple it might just be a come along with acouple of pulleys and snatch blocks. great ideas.
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Post by Paul Buhler » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:57 pm

Glad to help.
Be careful in how you put your package together. The come-along as an initial binder will probably work; I like heavier, 3/8" choker chain or 1/2" cable, for my chokers and drags. Anything lighter and it might break sooner than you'd think, with possibly a serious injury.
Give your final design the oh-oh test; if it looks risky, it probably is, and adjust accordingly.

You know the chestnut: There are old loggers and bold loggers, but no old bold loggers. Let caution be your guide.

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Post by Paul Buhler » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:23 pm

Hi: Found this picture. A light duty tag along arch. Paul

http://burlington.craigslist.org/grd/2264636775.html
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