2010..new to me

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2010..new to me

Post by turbo6978 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:17 am

Hello...Im new here...just getting started in Deere crawlers. I recently purchased a 2010 dozer with 6 way blade. Not a bad tractor for the money...but as always there are issues :D

First it was a diesel and has been changed to gas..whoever did it knew what they were doing...it just looks out of place with a green engine. Gas engine has quite a bit of blow by and the oil pressure wasnt real great...hoping that may improve with an oil change and running it some. Oil pressure was reading 20lbs at idle and mid range.

I would like to put it back to diesel when I can...I just wanted to see if anyone could help me out on what engines are a direct bolt in? I mean for example will a 2010 wheel tractor have the correct diesel engine? etc.

I dont have alot of knowledge on these little crawlers yet..but I sure love em !! Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by Lavoy » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:10 am

2010 wheel should bolt in, water pump is different I think.
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Post by jtrichard » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:42 pm

water pump IS different on wheel and crank pulley,water pump plate, gen/alternator pulley, oil pan and fan ... oil pan drain is in a different location and wont line up with hole in belly pan....fan has more blades and is usually a blower type on a dozer.. if they did a good job with putting the gas engine in most of these parts would have been changed from the diesel
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Post by Timberwolf13 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:49 pm

General question....

When swapping over to gas from diesel, like has been done here, is the gas engine direct bolt up to the old transmission etc? Or does the trans that went with the gas motor have to be swapped too?
If not, then would the 2.4l diesel from say a 1010 be a good candidate for his re-swap? In other words, is the trans that goes with 2.7l that came out of 2010 originally, the same as the one compatible for the 2.4l?
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Post by Lavoy » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:08 pm

Bell housing is the same as far as I know, I think you would be really disappointed in the 1010 engine in the heavier crawler, they can be disappointing enough in a 1010.
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Post by jtrichard » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:21 pm

1010 diesel will bolt in but it is smaller HP/CID
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Good points

Post by Timberwolf13 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:38 pm

Thanks for the info folks. Good to know at least if you had no other options, it would work. Seems like 2.4l JD motors are fairly cheap and easy to find in my area. 1010's in general are, wheeled or tracked.
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Post by gregjo1948 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:56 am

I think, if the diesel to gas conversion is well done, I would put my money into rebuilding the gas engine and forget about the diesel. If the 2010 diesel starts as hard as the 1010, you might be disapointed. gregjo1948
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Post by Lavoy » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:55 pm

I used to have availability of oversize piston rebuild kits for 2010, that would make the rebuild a lot cheaper. Diesel is more money to start with anyway, and you have some risk of cracked block in the web above main bearing bore.
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Post by Stan Disbrow » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:15 pm

Hi,

In our neck of the woods (upper Hudson valley) most of the 2010 tractors were gas, while most of the crawlers were diesel. During the 70s, there were a lot of crawler owners with bad problems with the diesels that would buy a well used tractor to yank the gas engine out of and put in their crawlers.

Then, they would sell whatever tractor parts they had left over to my uncle for cheap. Trying to basically recoup the cost of rebuilding the gas engine on its way from powering wheels to tracks.

This is a time-honored tradition from the look of it.

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Post by jtrichard » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:10 pm

i have 3 2010 crawlers all with diesel and would not have it any other way....not hard to start if everything is working glow plugs/primer pump good batt and cables .....as for cracking in the block above the mains i have only seen that when there was NO antifreeze it froze and split the block top and bottom not say it may not have happened without freezing but i have never seen it
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Post by turbo6978 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Thanks to everyone ...Im already seeing how valuable this site is..plus alot of nice people here. Gonna try to get the 2010 home Fri or Sat. Supposed to be around 19 degrees Fri..Brrr.

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Post by Lavoy » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:52 pm

I would echo the starting, if the glow plugs work, they will start, I have started two different 1010's in the single digits with no ether, just glow plugs and primer.
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Post by gregjo1948 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:31 am

I don't use starting fluid when starting my 1010 diesel. I hold the glow plugs on for at least 2 minutes, start cranking and hit the primer a couple shots. It spitts and sputters and blows smoke for a bit when it fires up but clears up as it warms up. The "Big Boys" told me using starting fluid on a 1010 can easily cause the top piston ring to break under the higher compression from the fluid. All my gas engines start easier and don't carry-on so much. gregjo1948
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Post by Lavoy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:40 am

Keep glow plugging after it starts, they smooth out faster.
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