steering clutch issue

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steering clutch issue

Post by davidn3 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:45 pm

I just bought an old 40-c. I haven't got the shop manual for it yet. It usually takes a couple weeks to come in the mail. It runs great except the steering clutch wont disengage. I've searched a lot of threads, but most are about the dozer not wanting to turn. Mine wont stop turning. Tomorrow is going to warm up to about 50F. I was going to try some things. Its just difficult to get to a tree to push when it just goes in circles.

any recommendations?

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Post by Lavoy » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:02 pm

Something is odd, sounds more like a drivetrain issue than clutch.
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Post by davidn3 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:11 pm

I would think the same, but the steering lever for that side has no resistance. (like the clutch is already locked into the pulled position, and the lever moves freely). The lever for the other side has some resistance when I pull it.

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Post by Lavoy » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:48 pm

No resistance in a lever normally means the clutch discs are swollen and the pressure plate fingers are crushed down. Or, something is broken in the linkage. Either way, tear down is required.
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Post by gregjo1948 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:53 am

I 'm thinking the pressure plate springs may have failed which would give you no resistance on the lever. It would be as if the clutch was already applied. Probably time to tear apart. gregjo1948
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Post by Howard Yoder » Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:32 am

Thinking the brake is probably partially froze up to

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Post by Gil » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:30 am

davidn3;
You did not identify if the lever has no resistance on the side where the track is pulling or on the opposite side of the crawler. If you are talking about the side where the track IS pulling, it indicates that the steering clutch pack is not releasing on that side. What impact does the steering lever on the opposite side have on its track? Gil
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Post by davidn3 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:20 pm

The opposite side works great. Has resistance so I can feel the brake tighten.

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Post by gregjo1948 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:07 am

Trying to understand! Are both tracks driving and you can only steer one way? gregjo1948
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Post by Gil » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:42 am

As gregjo1948 mentioned, it would help if you would restate your exact situation. It might be easier if you would use "right" side and "left" side.

You may understand already, but it is important that you understand that the steering lever activates not just the track brake but also the clutch. When you pull the lever back, first it operates the clutch to disconnect power to the track. As you pull the lever back further it applies the brake. You do NOT want to adjust it so the brake is applied without the clutch disengaging. Gil
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Post by original possum » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:37 am

Pull the cover under the seat on the bad side and see if the linkage is moving. You can pull the other side to compare. If the linkage moves, then pull the bung on the front of the final on the bad side and see if the TO bearing is free to slide. If you need to use a socket to adjust (1/2") make sure you tape the socket to the extension so the socket won't fall off. If the TO slides clear of the clutch fingers (will spin) then pull the final. If not, adjust or free it up (may still have to pull the final).
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