440IC in the trees

foxd · Post by **foxd** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:04 pm

A buddy of mine found this 440IC crawler hiding in the trees. According to the SN it is a 1960 model with an 831 loader. It is an IC model, but has been switched over to a diesel at some point in it's life.
As you can see in the pictures, the overall condition is rough. May only be good for parts.
The chains, bushings & sprockets appear to be in decent condition, can't really tell much about the rollers. Finals do not appear to be broken that I could see. Shift lever and steering levers are not froze up. It does have a reverser, but the lever is missing.
It is for sale, but honestly I am not very familar with the 440's. I am curious as to what everyone feels the value of this crawler in it's present condition is?
It is not my machine, so don't worry about hurting my feelings. Hack away!!

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:50 pm

1010 rails, rails height is good, some pin boss wear might indicate worn rollers. Reverser lever gone often times but not always indicates the reverser has been removed.
Assume the worst case scenario, then you won't be disappointed when it isn't as good, and pleasantly suprised if it is better. My figure would be $1000 as unfortunately that is scrap value or less than, so really can't go any lower.
For what it is worth, it looks way better than some of the junk I have hauled home and resurected.
Lavoy

foxd · Post by **foxd** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:02 pm

I noticed the 4 bolt rails right after I posted the picture, but was not sure if they were 1010 or not since the 440 parts book has some 4 bolt rails listed in it. When you say the reverser may have been removed do you mean the "guts" inside behind the cover? I have no experience at all with reversers other than what i have read on here.

Your price estimate is going to be very close to her asking price. I would prefer that it a blade and gas moter rather than the diesel and loader to be honest.
Thanks for the reply!

kedorland · Post by **kedorland** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:27 pm

I bought a crawler about 1 year ago. Knew nothing than...slightly more now.

We bought a 450C, wet clutches, 4 Cyl Deisle, ready to run.

Knowing nothing of crawlers but some things about metal...I rationalized the pruchase...when I penciled it out at 50 cents a pound. Thought I couldn't go wrong in the end.

This machine of yours looks good to these eyes.

Tried a battery and feeding it some fuel?

Mt Pleasent is basically down the road from me.....wouldn't mind taking a look at it.

Kevin from Iowa.

Post by **Lavoy** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:38 am

Yes, no guts inside.
I know what you mean about wanting gas and dozer, but for the price, drag this one home for parts, and keep looking for a dozer.
Lavoy

JD440ICD2006 · Post by **JD440ICD2006** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:36 am

Nice parts machine.
Loader looks pretty good, GM 2-53 will rebuild at resonable cost unless there is major damage to the crankshaft and/or block.
It has the later tranny which will work with both gas and diesel.
The winch will catch someone's eye.
Plenty of good needed parts on there. If you have the time and desire to part it out, you could make a little on it and still keep parts that you may need for yourself.

(BTW, the Folger's air intake cover is extremely rare)

LarryD · Post by **LarryD** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:48 am

I agree with Lavoy, mine was a way bigger pile of scrap than that and I'm in the process of resurecting it. That machine actually doesn't look all that bad in the fact that it appears to still be assembled. Mine was a basket case......always fun to decipher a good jigsaw puzzle.

digitup2 · Post by **digitup2** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:36 pm

At least the Folgers intake and concrete hurricane proof cap were installed I have seen them with a heck of a lot less cover.Over all that isn't in that bad of shape!.Digitup.

Paul Buhler · Post by **Paul Buhler** » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:34 pm

Mine didn't have quite as many trees growing up through it when I bought it, but it didn't have as many good looking qualities either. I think the $1000 price is a fair starting point - The undercarriage isn't worn out, although some of the roll may need replacing, The lift cylinders look good and the loader itself seems in decent shape. The winch isn't working, but it appears intact, including the control lever - a good place to start. As already said, someone parked it with some TLC so the engine may be in better than expected shape mechanically. The exhaust stack has a flap so water may not have gotten inside and seized the pistons or cracked the block; I'd take the risk if it was something I wanted and had the time and some extra money to play with. If I needed a reliable working machine quickly, I'd take another route. I was pleasantly surprised when I winched my machine onto a truck and found that the steering was loose and appeared to work - one less area that needed immediate attention. Plan on some problems in this area.
Just me remembering and sharing the process I used when I bought my dead crawler.
Good luck. Paul

EDIT: Not sure why the double post, Sorry. Paul

Willyr · Post by **Willyr** » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:28 pm

Its just a guess, you may find it needs a rod or some engine work. The hood and the belly pan are off to the side. Some kind of work was planned to be done and it required these to be out of the way. More than likely the owner asked around about feasibility of repair and found it was more than they wanted and became discouraged. So it was left rather than attempt the repair.

As to the winch. The engine stopped running and the owner didnt bother to get the rope rewound onto the drum. Chances are the winch is fine.

Just my logic, hopefully you can get it home and let us know what you find. Your off to an excellent start for a project.

How about an update? Or do you prefer the conjecture?

foxd · Post by **foxd** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:16 pm

Thanks to all for their comments, I appreciate it.
Honestly, there is no update at this point. The machine is still sitting right where it was found until I decide what I want to do.

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:48 pm

See, that is the problem. Buy it and bring it home, then the next decision is what to do with it!?!?!?

Lavoy

foxd · Post by **foxd** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:11 pm

There is another complete 440 diesel with blade, average to decent chains and sprockets with a partial 3-point sitting in a junkyard a couple hours from me for $2500. Was debating on getting both, making one and selling the leftover parts, but I can't seem to make up my mind...

Willyr · Post by **Willyr** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:43 pm

Get the junkyard one before it is scrapped. At 2500 it wont be there long till some one else grabs it. Oh and post pictures of it.

dnkcozmo · Post by **dnkcozmo** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:39 am

Lavoy wrote:1010 rails, rails height is good, some pin boss wear might indicate worn rollers. Reverser lever gone often times but not always indicates the reverser has been removed.
Assume the worst case scenario, then you won't be disappointed when it isn't as good, and pleasantly suprised if it is better. My figure would be $1000 as unfortunately that is scrap value or less than, so really can't go any lower.
For what it is worth, it looks way better than some of the junk I have hauled home and resurected.
Lavoy

Lavory when you talk about the pin boss are you talking about the round part of the link that the bushing is in? Is this on the outside of the link? is the wear that you are talking about the fact that these links look to be worn at an angle on the bottom of the outside of where the bushing goes. If that gets worn down to the point that it is in the bushing is the link junk? let me know your thoughts

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