440 ic direction reverser trouble

john b · Post by **john b** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:56 pm

so the boss wanted to play operator yesterday and now the 440ic has no power when backing up and the direction shifter seems to be hard to get into and out of the forward position and isnt engaging all the way into the reverse position. to start i thought id check the fluid level but i cant seem to get the drum plug out and there isnt a dipstick like on my uncles 1010. any ideas? thanks for any help keepin em' crawlin

Post by **Lavoy** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:26 pm

Before I had a tool made to open bung plugs, I would use a pliers, wedge the jaws against the tabs on the plug, and twist the handles.
Something is up in the reverser, but fluid isn't going to fix the problem, if not an adjustment, it will be a mechanical problem.
Ask him if he was using the clutch while shifting the reverser?
Lavoy

john b · Post by **john b** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:22 am

i made up a tool last night to open the plugs and got that. so i think he wasnt using the clutch when he was shifting the reverser. im going to try the adjustment in the manual, but most likely its mechanical like you said. unfortunately it would be the death rattle for that machine. looks like a pretty big job and just getting the reverser rebuilt would be really expensive. bummer is i only paid $1500 for a running machine

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:29 am

Unfortunately you may have encountered the hard and expensive lesson to never shift a mechanical reverser without using the foot clutch. That is why many on here won't loan their crawlers to others that aren't familiar with them.

Sounds like the boss should be forking out the repair bill, but I know you probably can't push that issue.

john b · Post by **john b** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:41 am

its his crawler, im just the ranch boss,

gregjo1948 · Post by **gregjo1948** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:56 am

The machine doesn't have to die due to the broken reverser. I think you can eliminate the reverser with a straight thru shaft. You'll have to use the reverse in the tranny which is probably the same speed as your second gear. Some one on here will know more about it than I do. gregjo1948

Post by **Lavoy** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:05 am

It is a lot of labor to remove, but may not be something that expensive to repair. Cost of eliminating the reverser is not cheap either, the shaft and coupler are getting harder to come by.
Take it apart, fix it correctly, drive it correctly, and it will last for a long time.
Lavoy

whiteclipse16 · Post by **whiteclipse16** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:14 am

If you have to pay to fix the reverser or pay to make it a straight shaft, then I'd fix the reverser.
The little bit of pushing I've done I wish I would have a reverser. Since these old trannies aren't synchronized you have to be pretty much completely stopped going from 2nd to reverse and back.
If you don't go with the reverser let me know how much you'd want for it and the linkage.

john b · Post by **john b** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:23 pm

waiting now to get a quote back from local john deere to pull and rebuild reverser. like i said before im the ranch foreman here, and i have a budget to work on. i bought this machine because my uncle has a 1010 and i know them, and i got this cheap. i may end up parting this guy out and buying a different machine. ill keep everybody posted. im in northern california.

Tigerhaze · Post by **Tigerhaze** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:52 pm

Wow, that may be the first time that someone needing a part and someone selling one have been so close!

original possum · Post by **original possum** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:42 pm

If you are going to eliminate the reverser and go straight shaft, save the trouble, put it in forward, and take off the handle.

john b · Post by **john b** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:00 pm

i dont really understand what possum is saying. if i put the reverser lever in forward and take of the handle how does that help me with backing up?if i put the gear shifter in the reverse position i still go forward with the reverser in forward.

DukeofDeere · Post by **DukeofDeere** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:06 pm

The crawler will back up with the reverser in forward and the trans in reverse.

Duke

Post by **Lavoy** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:31 pm

The reverser in forward is no different than putting in the straight shaft, either way to back up you have to use reverse in the transmission. So if your forward clutch pack is holding, like he said, leave it in forward, remove the shift lever and linkage, and operate crawler as if it has no reverser. You will still need to check and change the oil periodically.
Lavoy

john b · Post by **john b** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:37 pm

mine doesnt. it wouldnt when the reverser was functioning. does that mean i have another problem? reverse in tranny is left and forward on the 1010 assume its the same on the 440

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