ICD specific parts?
ICD specific parts?
The gas engine on my 440 is due for a rebuild. Compression is not too bad but the rear cylinder is about 15 psi lower than the front. Burns a lot of oil. Bigger problem is a rod knock on cold start.
So I've been considering my options. Of course I can rebuild the gas motor. Having the diesel could be fun though. I know where I might get a 2-53 from a 440 very reasonable. Bell housing to radiator. Started missing. Question is do the diesels have many other special parts? Hood? Throttle shaft I know.
Thoughts? The Detroit likely needs a rebuild as well. I'll never run it enough to care about the noise with the diesel and like the thought of a machine where the gas will not go bad when sitting.
Thanks.
Jack
So I've been considering my options. Of course I can rebuild the gas motor. Having the diesel could be fun though. I know where I might get a 2-53 from a 440 very reasonable. Bell housing to radiator. Started missing. Question is do the diesels have many other special parts? Hood? Throttle shaft I know.
Thoughts? The Detroit likely needs a rebuild as well. I'll never run it enough to care about the noise with the diesel and like the thought of a machine where the gas will not go bad when sitting.
Thanks.
Jack
Unless you have a later gas 440, the trans will not stand up to the diesel.
I am in the middle of a Detroit rebuild right now, and I can tell you that after this one, I will never do another one. I could have rebuilt 6 gas engine in just the time it has taken me to find parts and people with any idea of what one even is. Rebuild your gas, if you want a diesel, buy a diesel.
Lavoy
I am in the middle of a Detroit rebuild right now, and I can tell you that after this one, I will never do another one. I could have rebuilt 6 gas engine in just the time it has taken me to find parts and people with any idea of what one even is. Rebuild your gas, if you want a diesel, buy a diesel.
Lavoy
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Loose rod bearings do knock for a short time until oil pressure is built up. piston slap will continue until she warms up ..... A lose bottom end will also flood more oil into the cylinders and with worn oil rings it will use that much more oil
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- Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
I, too, would stick with the gas engine and skip the 2-53 diesel. And, when looking at another crawler with a diesel, I would still skip over the 2-53.
Stan
I, too, would stick with the gas engine and skip the 2-53 diesel. And, when looking at another crawler with a diesel, I would still skip over the 2-53.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
It is a late 440. Has the large 5 speed transmission and later 1010 style final drives. The knock does go away as soon as the oil pressure comes up. They sure are easy starting engines.
I owned a work boat for years with a 6-71. Always loved how simple the engine was. It did leak its share of oil though. Running a 2-53 in the dozer would mostly be for nostalgia and just doing something different.
Thanks.
Jack
I owned a work boat for years with a 6-71. Always loved how simple the engine was. It did leak its share of oil though. Running a 2-53 in the dozer would mostly be for nostalgia and just doing something different.
Thanks.
Jack
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253 vs 2 cylinder gas
I really enjoy my ICD, but only use it occasionally for blading the yard. It does take a shot of either to start but runs great, very little smoke. It might just be the 2 cycle roar, but I think power wise it will out perform a 1010 or older 350 diesel.
The 2 cylinder gas engines are very easy to work on with few moving parts. I assembled my first one by myself a few weeks ago (420 bored 40 over) and runs great now. Waiting on a few parts to complete it, but at least it's running and moving now.
If I were you I would fix your gas engine and keep on the lookout for an ICD.
The 2 cylinder gas engines are very easy to work on with few moving parts. I assembled my first one by myself a few weeks ago (420 bored 40 over) and runs great now. Waiting on a few parts to complete it, but at least it's running and moving now.
If I were you I would fix your gas engine and keep on the lookout for an ICD.
Jason Benesch
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No, 2 X 53=106C.I., you are thinking 4-53.
Yes you can convert it to diesel, you will basically need a diesel crawler to part out to do it. SO, my theory is just buy a diesel crawler if that is what you want.
I can do a complete top to bottom rebuild, not overhaul on a gasser for about $1500, maybe including new engine clutch. The quotes I am getting on rebuild a blower on a 2-53 a ranging from $1000-$1500, and the parts for the engine not including injectors, and tubes at already past $1000. None of this is relevant if cost does not factor into your decision, but wanted to throw it out there.
Lavoy
Yes you can convert it to diesel, you will basically need a diesel crawler to part out to do it. SO, my theory is just buy a diesel crawler if that is what you want.
I can do a complete top to bottom rebuild, not overhaul on a gasser for about $1500, maybe including new engine clutch. The quotes I am getting on rebuild a blower on a 2-53 a ranging from $1000-$1500, and the parts for the engine not including injectors, and tubes at already past $1000. None of this is relevant if cost does not factor into your decision, but wanted to throw it out there.
Lavoy
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YES a 2-53 IS 106 CI but as i said A "2-53 is equivalent of 212 CI" since its a two stroke...... fires twice as often as the 1010 at 144.5 CI .....the 1010 probably has better low end torque then the 2-53 as the 2 stroke has to be kept wound up tight to maintain its torque and HP
2010 with 622 dozer with mod. 35 ripper and a 2010 with 622 dozer bought in 1969 and a 2010 loader with drott and mod. 36 ripper
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Hi,
Ummm. My engineer brain is saying that the stroke of a 2-cycle is effectively shorter than for a 4-cycle when figuring MEPs....so, would not that be on the order of 66-75 percent the power of a 4-cylinder, 4-cycle?
In other words more on the order of 160-170 CID equivalent, not 212.....
Yeah. I know. Nitpicking engineers!
Anyway, a lot more chops than the 2-cylinder gas engine, hence the beefing up of everything behind the 2-53 on the 440 series.
Still, for me, I would jump right to a JD350. Oh. Wait. I did! Still wish I had that 350 still vs. Dad's 420.....on the other hand, it is nice to have his old favorite still.
Stan
Ummm. My engineer brain is saying that the stroke of a 2-cycle is effectively shorter than for a 4-cycle when figuring MEPs....so, would not that be on the order of 66-75 percent the power of a 4-cylinder, 4-cycle?
In other words more on the order of 160-170 CID equivalent, not 212.....
Yeah. I know. Nitpicking engineers!
Anyway, a lot more chops than the 2-cylinder gas engine, hence the beefing up of everything behind the 2-53 on the 440 series.
Still, for me, I would jump right to a JD350. Oh. Wait. I did! Still wish I had that 350 still vs. Dad's 420.....on the other hand, it is nice to have his old favorite still.
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Yeah missed that, I see what you mean. The Detroit is about 100ft. lbs torque at 1200 give or take. We have a 1010 gas, and it seems to me to be about 10ft lbs at full throttle!
Also keep in mind that this is pretty much the lowest HP rating I think the 2-53 ever had, and lowest RPM. I think Detroit specs lowest rating as 36HP at 2600RPM. Seems to me the top rating is in the 60HP + range. Pretty impressive for a little tiny 2 banger.
If you are really bored, look up the 20V-149TI some time. 2980C.I. and about 3,000 HP!
Lavoy
Also keep in mind that this is pretty much the lowest HP rating I think the 2-53 ever had, and lowest RPM. I think Detroit specs lowest rating as 36HP at 2600RPM. Seems to me the top rating is in the 60HP + range. Pretty impressive for a little tiny 2 banger.
If you are really bored, look up the 20V-149TI some time. 2980C.I. and about 3,000 HP!
Lavoy
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- Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
Well...I know the 16-278 units used in WWII submarines. Those were pretty impressive. Four per sub whirling generators to electric motors. Pushed a 300 foot long, 1600 ton sub at 20 knots on the surface.
I ran a 435 with a 1000 RPM 3-string baler many an hour when a teenager. They did the job, but noisy as hell. Might be why I don't want one in a crawler!
Stan
Well...I know the 16-278 units used in WWII submarines. Those were pretty impressive. Four per sub whirling generators to electric motors. Pushed a 300 foot long, 1600 ton sub at 20 knots on the surface.
I ran a 435 with a 1000 RPM 3-string baler many an hour when a teenager. They did the job, but noisy as hell. Might be why I don't want one in a crawler!
Stan
There's No Such Thing As A Cheap Crawler!
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
Useta Have: '58 JD 420c 5-roller w/62 inside blade
Useta Have: '78 JD350C w/6310 outside blade
Useta Have: '68 JD350, '51 Terratrac GT-25
Have: 1950 M, 2005 x495, 2008 5103 (now known as 5045D)
I agree a 350 with a power six-way would be ideal. They start around 5k and regularly bring over 10k here. Not as easy to work on as the little 440. Certainly a more capable machine.
I know exactly what I have with my 440. Since it needs an overhaul anyway I was considering the Detroit. Noisy yes---but simple engines to work on. Lots of them in work boats on the coast. I once knew a boat with 5 natural aspirated 6-71s driving through a common gearbox. 5 Detroits in a closed steel room----that was noisy.
Thanks for all the thoughts.
Jack
I know exactly what I have with my 440. Since it needs an overhaul anyway I was considering the Detroit. Noisy yes---but simple engines to work on. Lots of them in work boats on the coast. I once knew a boat with 5 natural aspirated 6-71s driving through a common gearbox. 5 Detroits in a closed steel room----that was noisy.
Thanks for all the thoughts.
Jack
put a good muffler on that Detroit and they even sound better.
you will probably have a good chance of finding one out of a boat since you are located in boat country.
to say the least you should be able to find plenty of parts.
2/53's have 65 hp capability but not recomended.
you will probably have a good chance of finding one out of a boat since you are located in boat country.
to say the least you should be able to find plenty of parts.
2/53's have 65 hp capability but not recomended.
440icd/602/8a,,440icd/831/ripper,,440icd/831/3pt.,misc. 440 parts, i have 5 of these now, but i can stop anytime
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